13-03-2021, 01:23 PM
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Re: $27m settlement
Originally Posted by bakerman
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Every day the police must deal with non-cooperative subjects. Unfortunately, some folks believe that the only reasonable answer is for the police to kill them... on the spot.Zero danger for the cops when a subject is handcuffed. No matter. Just kill them.
13-03-2021, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dextrous63
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That's what I thought. They seem remarkably generous with other people's money.Why do they "need" 27 million anyway?
Are they basing it on the loss of his earnings?????
As an aside, it would seem that ST George has been of more benefit
to his family in death than when he was alive ??
Donkeyman! 😭😭
P.S. Should that be "extended" family??
13-03-2021, 05:02 PM
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So Minneapolis has effectively paid a ransom has it for the non-killing of a drug-addled criminal?Can I ask you, one and all, to read this article and then say that St George was murdered? I certainly do not believe he was.
13-03-2021, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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So Minneapolis has effectively paid a ransom has it for the non-killing of a drug-addled criminal?Can I ask you, one and all, to read this article and then say that St George was murdered? I certainly do not believe he was.
In any event, once George Floyd was handcuffed, he presented no danger to the cops what-so-ever. All they needed to do was to pick him up and toss him in the back of a vehicle.
Finally, George Floyd had had no problem breathing prior to Derek Chauvin pressing a knee into Floyd's neck. Floyd had walked into a market bought cigarettes, walked back to his car and then stood up while police questioned him. It was only when Chauvin handcuffed Floyd, and then pinned him to the ground with a knee to the neck that Floyd died. And, oh yeah, why the neck ? Why not one of the shoulders ? Why not the side of the head ? Why not simply sit astride Floyd. I'll tell you why. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing. He was TRYING to kill George Floyd.
PS: Let us not forget that prior to the Floyd incident, officer Derek Chauvin had no less than 18 charges of police brutality leveled against him, yet he STILL kept his job. This gave Chauvin a sense of invulnerability and an arrogance typical of so many American police.
13-03-2021, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bakerman
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I read and re-read that extremely biased article. No doubt he is an apologist for the police department. Moreover he completely ignores the simple fact that dozens and dozens of people have died while police have used various types of "choke-holds". The police need not actually apply pressure to the windpipe to kill a suspect. All they have to do is apply pressure to one of the major neck arteries and keep that pressure up until the brain dies. A knee on a neck artery will more than do the job. In any event, once George Floyd was handcuffed, he presented no danger to the cops what-so-ever. All they needed to do was to pick him up and toss him in the back of a vehicle.
Finally, George Floyd had had no problem breathing prior to Derek Chauvin pressing a knee into Floyd's neck. Floyd had walked into a market bought cigarettes, walked back to his car and then stood up while police questioned him. It was only when Chauvin handcuffed Floyd, and then pinned him to the ground with a knee to the neck that Floyd died. And, oh yeah, why the neck ? Why not one of the shoulders ? Why not the side of the head ? Why not simply sit astride Floyd. I'll tell you why. Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing. He was TRYING to kill George Floyd.
13-03-2021, 06:27 PM
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I am aware that it might be difficult for those in other countries to imagine what it is like to be bullied by armed police here in America. We in the U.S. may have an incomplete picture of the typical English bobby but I, for one think of the bobby as a reasonably polite and NON-VIOLENT officer. However, the U.S. cop is all too often just itching for a chance to get in on the violent aspects of police work.One of the most intimidating things that can happen to a U.S. citizen is to be harassed by an angry cop. I have seen it many times . I have had it happen to me.
Police in America kill over 1,000 people every year. many of those killed were unarmed. I recall a number of cases where the police have killed unarmed children. Yes, you read that right. UNARMED CHILDREN.
13-03-2021, 06:31 PM
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Re: $27m settlement
Originally Posted by bakerman
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I am aware that it might be difficult for those in other countries to imagine what it is like to be bullied by armed police here in America. We in the U.S. may have an incomplete picture of the typical English bobby but I, for one think of the bobby as a reasonably polite and NON-VIOLENT officer. However, the U.S. cop is all too often just itching for a chance to get in on the violent aspects of police work. One of the most intimidating things that can happen to a U.S. citizen is to be harassed by an angry cop. I have seen it many times . I have had it happen to me.
Police in America kill over 1,000 people every year. many of those killed were unarmed. I recall a number of cases where the police have killed unarmed children. Yes, you read that right. UNARMED CHILDREN.
13-03-2021, 08:18 PM
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If Derek Chauvin is found guilty of either of the two main charges: 2nd degree murder or 3rd degree murder, it will have an enormous impact on all police departments across the nation.Already many department have outlawed use of any type of "chokeholds". Additionally, departments are beginning to train for incident "de-escalation". As one Chief of Police stated, "Just because a police officer can legally engage in a specific action, that does not mean that they should do so."
Ultimately, it is up to the officers who command entire departments to make substantive changes. IMO what is desperately needed is much less "combat style" training and a greater emphasis on controlling situations without any violence. Also, anger management when dealing with loud -mouthed suspects.
13-03-2021, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bakerman
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If Derek Chauvin is found guilty of either of the two main charges: 2nd degree murder or 3rd degree murder, it will have an enormous impact on all police departments across the nation.Already many department have outlawed use of any type of "chokeholds". Additionally, departments are beginning to train for incident "de-escalation". As one Chief of Police stated, "Just because a police officer can legally engage in a specific action, that does not mean that they should do so."
Ultimately, it is up to the officers who command entire departments to make substantive changes. IMO what is desperately needed is much less "combat style" training and a greater emphasis on controlling situations without any violence. Also, anger management when dealing with loud -mouthed suspects.
A police officer has no way of knowing the extent that a confrontational POS intends to go whereas letting a POS be aware of how far a police office CAN go in a confrontation is NEVER a good idea.
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