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Oh, that wouldn't work. I have never had even the slightest interest in football.
A better idea:

The Over Stressed Seniors and Ex Remoaners

Or 'TOSSERs'
Love it.

As far as PR goes, I'm not in favour of a voting system that leads to rule by coalitions except in unusual circumstances like the Lib/Lab pact and Tory/Lib Dem attempts of recent past.

You only have to look at countries like Italy to see why I think as I do. They have had so many governments since 1945 that I've lost count. It is almost a sport for their politicians to form a coalition that lasts for only 12-18 months before it collapses and a new one has to be formed or a GE called. Virtually nothing can get done regarding passing of new laws because of this.
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We already have a way to hold our elected politicians to account.
It's called an election.

Why should an unelected bunch of out-of-touch privileged people have so much power?
They know where the bodies are buried or have some dirt to dig up if they choose.
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I think that democracy is the best way to go.

However, I am, as are many others, totally fed up with pre-election promises, which are only made to get my vote.

For me to vote in future elections, I shall want a couple of things to change (well, a lot, really, but start with these)

1) Any candidate should hand me a list (signed by himself) which states the key points he will vote for/support. Maximum spends, etc

For example, if he said he would support HS2, that would result in a negative in my thinking.

2) The Party must keep me (us?) up to date on progress against those promises.

It should be a bit like "pay for performance" but not in a financial sense.

Running late would be a failure.

Going over budget another failure.

I'd then expect the Party to publish annual lists of what was promised versus he/she achieved. No ifs, no buts.

We have to get somewhere where the responsibility is understood.
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10-01-2021, 08:43 PM
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I think that democracy is the best way to go.

However, I am, as are many others, totally fed up with pre-election promises, which are only made to get my vote.

For me to vote in future elections, I shall want a couple of things to change (well, a lot, really, but start with these)

1) Any candidate should hand me a list (signed by himself) which states the key points he will vote for/support. Maximum spends, etc

For example, if he said he would support HS2, that would result in a negative in my thinking.

2) The Party must keep me (us?) up to date on progress against those promises.

It should be a bit like "pay for performance" but not in a financial sense.

Running late would be a failure.

Going over budget another failure.

I'd then expect the Party to publish annual lists of what was promised versus he/she achieved. No ifs, no buts.

We have to get somewhere where the responsibility is understood.
Excellent ideas.
There is certainly too much keeping quiet, making excuses and brushing dirt under the carpet.
Publishing their promises in this way would make things much clearer and give our politicians less opportunity to hide away and blame their failings on others.
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10-01-2021, 10:09 PM
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Re: Democracy

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Excellent ideas.
There is certainly too much keeping quiet, making excuses and brushing dirt under the carpet.
Publishing their promises in this way would make things much clearer and give our politicians less opportunity to hide away and blame their failings on others.
Isn't that called a 'Manifesto' JB?
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10-01-2021, 10:26 PM
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Isn't that called a 'Manifesto' JB?
Yes, but I think we're talking really about individual MPs here.
There are quite a number who don't follow the party line, as mentioned recently in the 'Is Brexit Over' thread.
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