| View Poll Results: Would you vote to stay or go? | |||
| STAY IN THE EU |
   
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34 | 27.87% |
| LEAVE THE EU |
  
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88 | 72.13% |
| Voters: 122. You may not vote on this poll | |||
13-11-2015, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Advantage Out
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Are you saying that we are not defending ourselves ("without a real fight") against the Germans?
Originally Posted by Moyra
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Standing in remembrance for the dead this morning makes my heart ache that so many lives were lost fighting for our freedom from Germany and its take over intentions and here we are giving it to them freely without a real fight...........sorry it has to be wrong!
13-11-2015, 11:11 AM
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Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by Patsy
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I understand the quote below and agree with it, what puzzles you about it ? Do you rate the 'demands' Cameron has made to the EU ? To me and others, they are pathetic .......
13-11-2015, 11:36 AM
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Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by Advantage Out
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Well, before I say anything (anything at all) I'd like to have it confirmed that the Nazis are being equated with Germany in today's instance ……. as an enemy. It certainly sounds like that is what you (and cranberry) are saying - but I'd like to be certain.
13-11-2015, 11:50 AM
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Re: EU...IN or OUT?
I fear that if Cameron reckons these pathetic "reforms" that he is supposedly negotiating are going to make people less likely to vote to leave, then he is even more stupid than I had previously thought. He isn't even beginning to scratch the surface of demanding what most people want.
13-11-2015, 12:30 PM
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Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by Patsy
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Wouldn't go that far ...
”so many lives were lost fighting for our freedom from Germany and its take over intentions and here we are giving it to them freely without a real fight”
That's a call to arms.
Originally Posted by Patsy
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... it does seem we are being 'governed' now by them ...
Originally Posted by Patsy
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... we need to take a firm stance for once and show we are not a pushover - it has got out of hand because we are to slow to react
13-11-2015, 01:35 PM
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Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by Advantage Out
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No? ”so many lives were lost fighting for our freedom from Germany and its take over intentions and here we are giving it to them freely without a real fight”
That's a call to arms.
No it isn't
If the UK is being governed from abroad then that would be those fellows the other side of the big pond. Their CIA destroyed the Democratic government of Iran on your behalf but they they took the spoils for themselves. They invaded Grenada without so much as a “by your leave” and you didn't even slap their hand. And then you've followed them into every dirty war since.
We weren't discussing the USA - but as you mention it - again we were pathetic
The "pushover" is you against your own government. Your grievance is with Thatcher, Blair, and Cameron, not with Merkel.
14-11-2015, 03:55 PM
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Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by plantman
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I fear that if Cameron reckons these pathetic "reforms" that he is supposedly negotiating are going to make people less likely to vote to leave, then he is even more stupid than I had previously thought. He isn't even beginning to scratch the surface of demanding what most people want.
I think he's just paving the way for his successor in some ways and doesn't want to stick his neck out with something that could come back to haunt the Government, the Party or possibly both.
He's not had much to make his tenure as Prime Minister noteworthy and this watered-down, half-baked sop is an insult to our intelligence, regarless of which poltical party we support! stevmk2
14-11-2015, 06:12 PM
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Re: EU...IN or OUT?
Originally Posted by Nom
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His decision to bow out of leadership tells me he is jut a Trojan horse for staying in europe, and much as i dont want it many of our so called political elite feel the same. I suspect the result will be manipulated to achieve anything but a exit option.
The Conservative Party clearly stated their stance that they consider our remaining full members of the European, get-rich-quick Club a priority so everything will be done to ensure that the hoi polloi are "directed" to choose the right path, you can be assured!
But we also have the other would-be Members of the European Glee Club champing at the bit to get loads of dosh stuffed into their mattresses from EU coffers, (our contributions plus everyone elses!) so the "choice" is ours - innit?!
As if we REALLY EVER had any choice!!
By the way, it only took 13 men hidden in the Trojan Horse that led to the annihilation of an entire empire - makes ya think eh?! stevmk2
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