That is the trouble there are too many disloyal people who have the privilege to live in this country.
Immigrants have the right idea they know a good thing when they see on that is why they want to come here .

This one!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMFIWBQB1kE

you want us all to be loyal to whom - royal family - house of Lords - labor party - tory party - who ah I see the Muddy party - nut off!

I admit that out National anthem is not the best but is certainly the best known !
Apart from the French and German anthems ( which are both stirring ) who can even hum another countries anthem?

No one is obliged to be loyal but it's the right thing to be especially to the country that supports you.

you seem to be deviating a bit Muddy old girl - do you want us to learn the french and german anthems too? so God save our noble queen - but many are not loyalists anymore - are you ?

never had you as a loyalist?

The drongo speaks.
Oz land kicked you out have they ?
Poor beggars the worst £10 they ever spend

Didn't look very hard then did you???

From the link I posted there is this:

On Monday 9th of August 1971 Interment Without Trial was introduced by the British Government in the North of Ireland. This policy was implemented by the British Army at 4am on that particular summer morning. The British Army directed the campaign against the predominately Catholic community with the stated aim to “shock and stun the civilian population”.

Between 9th and 11th of August 1971, over 600 British soldiers entered the Ballymurphy area of West Belfast, raiding homes and rounding up men. Many, both young and old, were shot and beaten as they were dragged from their homes without reason. During this 3 day period 11 people were brutally murdered.

All 11 unarmed civilians were murdered by the British Army’s Parachute Regiment. One of the victims was a well known parish priest and another was a 45 year old mother of eight children. No investigations were carried out and no member of the British Army was held to account.
It is believed that some of the soldiers involved in Ballymurphy went on to Derry some months later where similar events occurred. Had those involved in Ballymurphy been held to account, the events of Bloody Sunday may not have happened.

The terrible events which took place in Ballymurphy in 1971 have for too long remained in the shadows. Here we, the families of those murdered, put the spotlight on how 11 innocent people met their deaths over a three day period in August 1971.

The Massacre – Chronology
9th August 1971

On the 9th of August 1971, at roughly 8:30pm, in the Springfield Park area of West Belfast, a local man was trying to lift children to safety when he was shot and wounded by the British Army’s Parachute Regiment. Local people tried to help the wounded man but were pinned back by the Parachute Regiment’s gunfire. Local parish priest, Father Hugh Mullan, telephoned the Henry Taggart army post to tell them he was going into the field to help the injured man.

Father Mullan entered the field, waving a white baby grow. He anointed the injured man, named locally as Bobby Clarke. Having identified that Bobby had received a flesh wound and was not fatally wounded, Father Mullan attempted to leave the field. At this point Father Mullan was fatally shot in the back.

On witnessing such events another young man of 19 years, Frank Quinn, came out of his place of safety to help Father Mullan. Frank was shot in the back of the head as he tried to reach Father Mullan. The bodies of Father Hugh Mullan and Frank Quinn lay where they were shot until local people could safely reach them. Their bodies remained in neighbouring homes until they could be safely removed the next morning.

Tension was rising in the community as local youths fought back against the army’s horrendous campaign. Families were fleeing their homes in Springfield park as they came under attack from loyalist mobs approaching from the direction of Springmartin. Parents frantically searched for their children. Local men were still being removed from their homes, beaten and interned without reason. All this and at the same time the people of Ballymurphy were trying to live a normal life.
Local people had started gathering at the bottom of Springfield Park, an area known locally as the Manse. Some of those gathering included Joseph Murphy who was returning from the wake of a local boy who drowned in a swimming accident. Joan Connolly and her neighbour Anna Breen stopped as they searched for their daughters. Daniel Teggart also stopped as he returned from his brother’s house which was close to Springfield Park. Daniel had gone to his brother’s house to check on his brother’s safety as his house had been attacked as local youth targeted the Henry Taggart Army base located near by. Noel Phillips, a young man of 19 years, having just finished work walked to Springfield park to check on the local situation.

Without warning the British Army opened fire from the direct of the Henry Taggart Army base. The shooting was aimed directly at the gathering. In the panic people dispersed in all directions. Many people took refuge in a field directly opposite the army base. The army continued to fire and intensified their attack on this field.

Noel Phillips was shot in the back side. An injury that was later described in his autopsy as a flesh wound. As he lay crying for help, Joan Connolly, a mother of 8 went to his aid. Eye witnesses heard Joan call out to Noel saying “It’s alright son, I’m coming to you”.

In her attempt to aid Noel, Joan was shot in the face. When the gun fire stopped Noel Phillips, Joan Connolly, Joseph Murphy and many others lay wounded. Daniel Teggart, a father of 14, lay dead having been shot 14 times.

A short time later a British Army vehicle left the Henry Taggart Army base and entered the field. A solider exited the vehicle, and to the dismay of the local eye witnesses, executed the already wounded Noel Phillips by shooting him once behind each ear with a hand gun.

Soldiers then began lifting the wounded and dead and throwing them into the back of the vehicle. Joseph Murphy, who had been shot once in the leg, was also lifted along with the other victims and taken to the Henry Taggart Army base. Those lifted, including Joseph Murphy, were severely beaten. Soldiers brutally punched and kicked the victims. Soldiers jumped off bunks on top of victims and aggravated the victims’ existing wounds by forcing objects in to them. Mr Murphy was shot at close range with a rubber bullet into the wound he first received in the field. Mr Murphy died three weeks later from his injuries.

Joan Connolly, who had not been lifted by the soldiers when they first entered the field, lay wounded where she had been shot. Eye witnesses claimed Joan cried out for help for many hours. Joan was eventually removed from the field around 2:30am on 10th August. Autopsy reports state that Joan, having been repeatedly shot and bled to death.

10th August 1971

Eddie Doherty, a father of two from the St James’ area of West Belfast, had visited his elderly parents in the Turf Lodge area, on the evening of Tuesday 10th August to check on their safety during the ongoing unrest. He was making his way home along the Whiterock road, as he approached the West Rock area he noticed a barricade which had been erected by local people in an attempt to restrict access to the British Army.

A local man named Billy Whelan, known to Eddie, stopped him and the pair passed commented on the ongoing trouble. At the same time a British Army digger and Saracen moved in to dismantle the barricade. From the digger, a soldier from the Parachute Regiment opened fire. Eddie was fatally shot in the back. Local people carried him to neighbouring homes in an attempt to provide medical attention but Eddie died a short time later from a single gun shot wound.

11th August 1971

At roughly 4am on 11th August. John Laverty, a local man of 20 years, was shot and killed by soldiers from the British Army’s Parachute regiment. Joseph Corr, a local father of 6, was also shot and wounded by the same regiment. Mr Corr died of his injuries 16 days later. The Parachute Regiment’s account stated that both men were firing at the army and were killed as the army responded. Neither men were armed and ballistic and forensic evidence tested at the time disproved the army’s testimony.

Pat McCarthy, a local community worker who came to work in Ballymurphy from England, was shot in the hand on the same day as he was attempting to leave the local community centre to distribute milk and bread to neighbouring families. A few hours later and nursing his wounded hand, Pat decided to continue with the deliveries. He was stopped by soldiers from the British Army’s Parachute Regiment who harassed and beat him.

Eye witness’ watched in horror as the soldiers carried out a mock execution on Pat by placing a gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger, only for the gun to be unloaded. Pat suffered a massive heart attack and the same soldiers stopped local people from trying to help Pat. As a result Pat died from the ordeal.

John McKerr, a father of 8 and a carpenter from the Andersonstown Road area, was carrying out repair work in Corpus Christi chapel on the 11th August. John took a short break to allow the funeral of a local boy, who drowned in a swimming accident, to take place. As he waited outside the chapel for the funeral mass to end, John was shot once in the head by a British solider from the Army’s Parachute Regiment.

Despite the harassment of the British Army, local people went to his aid and remained at his side until an ambulance arrived. One local woman, named locally as Maureen Heath, argued with the soldiers as they refused to allow John to be taken in the ambulance. John was eventually taken to hospital but died of his injuries 9 days later having never regained consciousness.

I didn't see the programme last night regarding the massacre of Ballymurphy by Paratroopers in the early 70's. But if it was as horrendous as it appears , and true of course,I just find it hard to believe that a disciplined army would act this way with men, women and youngsters in modern days like the 70's. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that it is so hard to comprehend.

it reminds me of the following:

Being born in the UK, I know very little about the Irish troubles. However, dad, who was always proud of his Irish heritage,but would never tell us anything about when he was growing up there. However, he told us one day years ago (after one tipple too many on a birthday celebration) that where he was born was well known as an IRA stronghold during the 20’s (and probably a lot later). I won’t mention the town only that it is in Co. Limerick.

Apparently, back then it was more of a close-knit large village than a town. He told us that soon after they arrived, the Black and Tans started to come into the village every day, breaking down residents doors, dragging the men and women out in front of their children, and beating them there on the street, they would ransack their homes under the guise of searching, and steal anything of value with pure impunity The Black and Tans were a civilian para-military group of British ex-WW1 veterans brought in at the behest of Winston Churchill to act as Reservists for the Royal Irish Constabulary to curb the actions of the IRA which formed to get the British out and unite Ireland.

My dad was only aged 2 when the B&T’s were finally disbanded, he was the baby of a family of 11 children, and had brothers that were older, the eldest aged 20. I don’t know whether he was fabricating just to entertain us, but he did say he had an older brother who, after a certain incident which he would not elaborate on, had to be sneaked out on a Cargo Ship to America and never saw or heard from again.

I also recall Dad saying that the Black & Tans were only in Ireland for about 2 years, 1920-`1922, but during that time were well known by the Irish (and the English) for their absolute brutality, murder and massacres. This was definitely not IRA propaganda back then, Atrocities were being carried out on a daily basis by this vicious, unaccountable army of legalised thugs. My Dad’s family, along with everyone in the village, hated them with a vengence. Even more so when they were known for bragging about the County Cork incident. When a Black & Tan was killed in Cork, as retaliation, they burnt 300 houses in the city centre to the ground, and then they swaggered around wearing pieces of Cork in their hats. You have to remember, that the IRA back then were heroes to Southern Ireland. They were fighting for genuine freedom against murderers and thugs, so much so that the British Labour Party at the time publicly announced the shame felt in Britain at what was happening to innocent families in Eire and actually called the B&T’s “A hoard of Savages!”.

It was only in later years when the IRA turned to bombing and killing innocent men, women and children themselves that they became the hated and feared. Exactly that which they fought against between 1920-1922.

There is very little distinction between the Black & Tans and Number one parachute Regiment in 1971 in the way they operated. As an indication, I presume you are aware of the events of 'Bloody Sunday' in Derry in January 1972??? - The exact same Batalion of the Parachute regiment, having been withdrawn from Belfast following 'Ballymurphy', were resposible for the second massacre in Derry a few months later.