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Thats how I see it too - in every respect ....
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I think we have to be better than the others, we manage that normally even in war, what he did makes it even more dangerous for our men and women in combat zones.

The sentence was correct I think but I do not agree with naming him, that makes him and his family a target and that is no more fair than what he did.
A good point !
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I personally think that publicising this case was wrong.

If there was a military case to bring against one of our own soldiers it should have be done without media coverage in my opinion as it gives a massive propaganda boost to those bombing and shooting at our soldiers in Afghanistan.

For those that think otherwise by the way, in WWII and all following military campaigns, there were many cases where Allied soldiers had no facilities available to them regarding prisoners so, like it or not, they were 'dealt-with' by other means.

Nothing new in the history of warfare there either so publishing this case was, in my honest opinion, political and betrays our servicemen and women.

Sorry, but that's how I feel about it. stevmk2
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07-12-2013, 04:22 PM
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I agree with that .....
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07-12-2013, 04:31 PM
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I don't know much about this case but wasn't that defenceless man and his comrade shooting at the Marines only a few minutes before?
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Yes I believe this is so also a number of colleagues of the soldier had recently been killed and seriously injured.

However that is not the point for me, our soldiers are rigorously trained and disciplined to cope with every eventuality . There are no excuses, a soldier cannot let himself be reduced to reacting in a way which will bring dishonour to himself and the Army. It puts them in a very bad position and sets a poor example to others.

I do not think the soldier should have been named, he has been punished and also dishonorably‎ discharged from the army .
His family are not responsible for his actions and have now been put in a vulnerable position.
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07-12-2013, 04:37 PM
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Exactly so .....
I also hate to see policemen beating up suspects as I witnessed on TV news (3 policemen in a police station !) and have seen other cases several times .... really sends a shiver up my spine ....
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07-12-2013, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by stevmk2 ->
I personally think that publicising this case was wrong.

If there was a military case to bring against one of our own soldiers it should have be done without media coverage
in my opinion as it gives a massive propaganda boost to those bombing and shooting at our soldiers in Afghanistan.

For those that think otherwise by the way, in WWII and all following military campaigns, there were many cases where Allied soldiers had no facilities available to them regarding prisoners so, like it or not, they were 'dealt-with' by other means.

Nothing new in the history of warfare there either so publishing this case was, in my honest opinion, political and betrays our servicemen and women.

Sorry, but that's how I feel about it. stevmk2
That is my opinion - it should have dealt with by the military. The public become too emotional over a situation they have very little first-hand knowledge; I know I wouldn't feel comfortable judging or being asked to condemn him on something I've never experienced and little or no knowledge about. There's something a bit too satisfying about sitting in the comfort of safety and judging those in the firing line. In my opinion, the only ones who are qualified to do that are his superiors and peers - that is the reality of war (not like it's a board game where you can insist rules are followed by all sides).
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07-12-2013, 05:09 PM
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The problem with keeping it in house as it were, is we need as a nation to be above suspicion when it comes to these things and only way to be like that is to shine a light on it and let everyone see how seriously we take it.


It would be more dangerous for our troops if it was thought we kept it all secret in closed military courts.
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07-12-2013, 05:14 PM
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I take the view that they are the ones specialised in warfare and they are the ones that have to deal with the reality of it rather than the sanitised view we tend to have of it; sometimes it is necessary to fight fire with fire and if the armed forces decided that was what they had to do, I would leave those decisions to them to make.

Us playing fair won't matter a jot to those taking arms against us.

I also don't believe for one moment that our armed services run the risk of becoming platoons of murderers simply because they would be able to - they deserve more credit than that.
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07-12-2013, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
The problem with keeping it in house as it were, is we need as a nation to be above suspicion when it comes to these things and only way to be like that is to shine a light on it and let everyone see how seriously we take it.


It would be more dangerous for our troops if it was thought we kept it all secret in closed military courts.
There is truth in that response if WW1 is anything to go by .....
 
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