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It's called democracy joe .
That political state that the left is supposed to support.
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Sweden Democrats are going from strength to strength so this is slightly out-of-date, but it certainly is on topic and his criticism is well deserved:

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If only it was that simple. The mental conditioning that many Muslim's receive is far more insidious.
being brainwashed as soon as they are born..
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The guy in the video is right - kinda - but wrong in another. This is exactly as you see everywhere when decent people are faced with the mindsets of some Muslims - they (we) think there is a 'sensible' solution that has worked in the past. Instead of blaming the Muslims we try to take the blame ourselves, deludedly thinking that tolerance will win the day. This is because we are decent, kind hearted, caring people - as most in Europe appear to be. WE are not at fault for thinking like this. It is abhorrent to us to turn anyone away when they need help. Absolutely nothing wrong with this approach at all.

What has gone wrong is that the open border policy, allowing ANYONE in, has resulted in a massive influx of primitive, savage people hell bent on exploitation. The ideals held by most in Europe are not wrong but the people who allowed these 'nasty people' in are. They have decided to throw their own populace to the wolves instead of being wise enough to help those that were in need and repelling the pillagers.

We, in the West, have progressed to become considerate, liberal minded people. We are now faced with minds that are archaic - that belong to a bygone age. We do not have the mental tools to deal with this issue. It might well be our undoing. An eye for an eye approach has never gone down well in the past so why should it now?

If Germany continues to let so many single men in there will be a civil war eventually. There are still elements of extreme right wing there that will rise again for sure. Same will occur in the other countries too. Good thing? Well, in this instance someone has to win the war because Europe is being invaded.

BUT WE ARE NOT IN THE WRONG - THEY ARE!
Great post well said !
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It's called democracy joe .
That political state that the left is supposed to support.

Hmmmmm - Let's not forget that the Germans voted for Adolph Hitler too - and look what a b*lls up they made of that!!!
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The absolute most important question that needs answering is .... "How do these Moslems define this 'democracy' they don't want?" Is it the sort of democracy that Bush and Blair brought to Irak that they detest? Is it the sort of Democracy that destroyed the democratic governments of Iran, Vietnam, Panama, and Grenada? I wish someone would ask them. Maybe we'd understand them better.
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Joe

The US is not 1930s Germany is it?
At least not yet .
However the rise of right wing neo Nazi groups there is practically guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by Advantage Out ->


The absolute most important question that needs answering is .... "How do these Moslems define this 'democracy' they don't want?" Is it the sort of democracy that Bush and Blair brought to Irak that they detest? Is it the sort of Democracy that destroyed the democratic governments of Iran, Vietnam, Panama, and Grenada? I wish someone would ask them. Maybe we'd understand them better.
They don't want to be westernised I believe and looking at some of the behaviour they see I can kinda get that. When I speak to Pakistani born Muslims they believe everything they read in the daily mail, we are pretty much going to hell as they see drunken behaviour, women behaving badly etc.

They don't understand most of us are not like that I am not sure they want to understand it.
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14-01-2016, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MKJ ->
The guy in the video is right - kinda - but wrong in another. This is exactly as you see everywhere when decent people are faced with the mindsets of some Muslims - they (we) think there is a 'sensible' solution that has worked in the past. Instead of blaming the Muslims we try to take the blame ourselves, deludedly thinking that tolerance will win the day. This is because we are decent, kind hearted, caring people - as most in Europe appear to be. WE are not at fault for thinking like this. It is abhorrent to us to turn anyone away when they need help. Absolutely nothing wrong with this approach at all.

What has gone wrong is that the open border policy, allowing ANYONE in, has resulted in a massive influx of primitive, savage people hell bent on exploitation. The ideals held by most in Europe are not wrong but the people who allowed these 'nasty people' in are. They have decided to throw their own populace to the wolves instead of being wise enough to help those that were in need and repelling the pillagers.

We, in the West, have progressed to become considerate, liberal minded people. We are now faced with minds that are archaic - that belong to a bygone age. We do not have the mental tools to deal with this issue. It might well be our undoing. An eye for an eye approach has never gone down well in the past so why should it now?

If Germany continues to let so many single men in there will be a civil war eventually. There are still elements of extreme right wing there that will rise again for sure. Same will occur in the other countries too. Good thing? Well, in this instance someone has to win the war because Europe is being invaded.

BUT WE ARE NOT IN THE WRONG - THEY ARE!
What a very good post MKJ.I agree wholeheartedly.

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Originally Posted by Julie1962 ->
They don't want to be westernised I believe and looking at some of the behaviour they see I can kinda get that. When I speak to Pakistani born Muslims they believe everything they read in the daily mail, we are pretty much going to hell as they see drunken behaviour, women behaving badly etc.

They don't understand most of us are not like that I am not sure they want to understand it.
What do they think about the Rochdale child rapes by gangs of Pakistani men?
 
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