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29-01-2016, 11:35 AM
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'Our' Gunboats not very reliable.

Seems that, despite spending squillions on building them, these destroyers are not that reliable and keep breaking down and losing power.

Its now going to cost loads more money to build new engine systems for them. I wonder if the Government will 'sue' BAE under the sale of goods act???

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...s-need-7267258
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29-01-2016, 02:14 PM
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Wonder what government awarded the contract to BAE.
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29-01-2016, 02:26 PM
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Wonder what government awarded the contract to BAE.

Nothing wrong with the award of the contract per se, but the quality of the end product!!!
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29-01-2016, 02:27 PM
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Just jesting with you Joe.
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29-01-2016, 02:30 PM
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Not sure why they need new engines if it is an electronic problem, poor journalism I am afraid.
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29-01-2016, 03:13 PM
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Have found this on Wiki, seems they are under powered.
The Type 45 is fitted with an innovative integrated electric propulsion (IEP) system. Historically, electric-drive ships (like USS Langley) have supplied power to their electric motors using DC, and ship's electrical load, where necessary at all, was either separately supplied or was supplied as DC with a large range of acceptable voltage. Integrated electric propulsion seeks to supply all propulsion and ship's electrical load via AC at a high quality of voltage and frequency.[N 4] This is achieved by computerised control, high quality transformation and electrical filtering. Two Rolls-Royce WR-21 gas turbine alternators and two Wärtsilä 12V200 diesel generators provide electrical power at 4,160 volts to a high voltage system. The high voltage supply is then used to provide power to two GE Power Conversion advanced induction motors with outputs of 20 MW (27,000 hp) each. Ship's services, including hotel load and weapons system power supplies, are supplied via transformers from the high voltage supply at 440 V and 115 V.[34] The benefits of integrated electric propulsion are cited as:
The ability to place the electric motors closer to the propeller, thus shortening the shaftline, obviating the need for a gearbox or controllable pitch propellers, and reducing exposure to action damage.[34]
The opportunity to place prime movers (diesel generators and gas turbine alternators) at convenient locations away from the shaftline, thus reducing the space lost to funnels, while at the same time improving access for maintenance and engine changes.[35]
The freedom to run all propulsion and ship services from a single prime mover for much of the ship's life, thus dramatically reducing engine running hours and emissions.[34]
Key to the efficient use of a single prime mover is the choice of a gas turbine that provides efficiency over a large load range; the WR-21 gas turbine incorporates compressor intercooling and exhaust heat recovery, making it significantly more efficient than previous marine gas turbines, especially at low and medium load.
The combination of greater efficiency and high fuel capacity give an endurance of 7,000 nautical miles (13,000 km) at 18 knots (33 km/h).[34] High power density and the hydrodynamic efficiency of a longer hull form allow high speeds to be sustained. It has been reported that Daring reached her design speed of 29 knots (54 km/h) in 70 seconds and achieved a speed of 31.5 knots (58 km/h) in 120 seconds during sea-trials in August 2007.[36]
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29-01-2016, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Joe ->
Nothing wrong with the award of the contract per se, but the quality of the end product!!!
An integral part of awarding contracts is DUE DILIGENCE.

Seems the awarding party were slack in that process.
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29-01-2016, 09:00 PM
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What ho old bean-this is a nice club. Contract? yes of course as long as we make a decent profit. But what if the engines fail? Silly boy-we blame someone else,the claret here is decent.


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Jolly Boating Weather!
 



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