You would be hard put to find a single machine tool manufacturer
in the UK today ?

We will see, but I think that people in general are far more savvy and reasonable than you seem to think they are so I very strongly doubt it.
Going by recent events at least.



I know NI is still a works in progress and it's me that pointed out some of the possible solutions first.
If however you seriously think that it is going to take so long for the current problems to be resolved then (again) time will tell, but it is reasonably certain that the issues will be resolved - and satisfactorily too; the Irish & NI won't want to risk a resurfacing of difficulties because of hasty action - pretty quickly, not in either four or six years as you suggest.
That's not to suggest that something might not happen in the future, but none of us has a crystal ball.
You're also ignoring the open option to withdraw from the whole or part of the agreement too; is that because you at last recognize that it's a "nuclear" option which might lead to unwanted consequences?


FWIW and completely IMHO of course, Brexit was handled incorrectly from the very beginning.
The UK should have put forward A50 and said no more than "we're off" with no further discussion until our position as at least an equal was firmly established and fair play evident.
But what is past has been and gone.
Now is the time to accept where we are and to move on.

Again:
The consequences of where we are at regarding Brexit has very little to do with Remainers or Brexiteers.
It has to do with the British people and with what they want.
They would rather be able to afford their VW cars, their Miele washing mashines and their Belgian chocolate than worry about fish that they don't even eat.
They would rather see UK workers in jobs supplying cars, technology and plane parts to the EU than pay tariffs on imports of the cars, washing machines and chocolate they want to buy.

You think I'm in a minority for thinking that?
We will see, but I think we both know that it's me that is most likely be proven correct.

The only person your convincing is yourself.

Brexit was about reclaiming our sovereignty - 17.5 million people voted for it in 2016.

This included coastal towns up and down the country, Sottish fishing villages, the UK fleet, the UK fish processing industry, recreational sea anglers, charter skippers etc etc.

To say "we don't eat much fish" and instead our priorities should be on cheap German cars is laughable.

The devil is in the detail, fundamental differences still remain over fishing rights and quotas.

But we all know that Barmy (who made the threat) is an @rse - for a start we imported little electricity even before the pandemic reduced overall demand (5% according to energypost.eu) and although we import more gas at around 20%, by far most of that comes from Norway and Qatar!
Still, if we know the EU's intent we can plan countermeasures.

The idiot would be useless at poker.

Do give over.
I don't have to convince anyone because (as I keep trying to tell you) it is up to the electorate.
They will decide - and it's them that you're upset with really.





We have reagined our sovereignty but as I keep pointing out to you: you do not like what we are doing with it.

What really is laughable is your determination not to see what every sensible person sees, and that is why you have no answer to this:
The consequences of where we are at regarding Brexit has very little to do with Remainers or Brexiteers.
It has to do with the British people and with what they want.
They would rather be able to afford their VW cars, their Miele washing mashines and their Belgian chocolate than worry about fish that they don't even eat.
They would rather see UK workers in jobs supplying cars, technology and plane parts to the EU than pay tariffs on imports of the cars, washing machines and chocolate they want to buy.

When you can answer in a sensible and realistic manner the question of what you would rather see and how you would answer the consequences of your demands to the people above you might have a case.
So far, despite pages of obfuscation, you have not.

So UK people don't want control over their own territorial waters and their EEZ ?

Really ?

According to you, they want cheap German cars instead with no tarrifs, but it's OK to import and pay for (our) fish from the EU that are our stocks caught in our waters by foreign boats, who employ thousands of people, who catch our fish and sell them back to us because we can't catch them ourselves because 2/3 of the quotas belong to them not us. According to you these fishing jobs, destined for the UK (if we did take back full control of our waters) aren't as important as other jobs ? Is that because the last thing we need (according to you) is more stupid people who didn't know what they were voting for ? You even go so far as laugh and mock people (like me and the thousands (hundreds of thousands) of people) who, in their spare time lobby their MP, government, organisations, supermarkets etc to try and get this fishing fiasco sorted out. You just sit there, shouting at the rain because you can buy a cheap VW.

Not being funny Zaphod, but you're arguments are all over the place. If you knew what you were talking about instead of googling up a collage of other peoples opinions we might be able to have a sensible discussion.

So once again, I'm putting you on ignore until you start making sense.

So UK people don't want control over their own territorial waters and their EEZ ? Really ?

According to you, they want cheap German cars instead with no tarrifs, but it's OK to import and pay for (our) fish from the EU that are our stocks caught in our waters by foreign boats, who employ thousands of people, who catch our fish and sell them back to us because we can't catch them ourselves because 2/3 of the quotas belong to them not us. According to you these fishing jobs, destined for the UK (if we did take back full control of our waters) aren't as important as other jobs ? Is that because the last thing we need (according to you) is more stupid people who didn't know what they were voting for ? You even go so far as laugh and mock people (like me and the thousands (hundreds of thousands) of people) who, in their spare time lobby their MP, government, organisations, supermarkets etc to try and get this fishing fiasco sorted out. You just sit there, shouting at the rain because you can buy a cheap VW.

One day, knowing how we Brits tend to make jokes about our own (our government's) mistakes, I fully expect to see a TV comedy series about this.
Something along the lines of Yes Minister.

It has been quite a long time since I have felt immensely proud of the achievements of our government and our people. 1982 to be precise.