31-05-2015, 10:21 AM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by Meg
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...that is because of the over production of animals in some areas.
1. Animals need plants to grow to eventually be killed for protein
2. Plants produce protein
See my point? You simply cut out the middleman.
As for undeveloped countries having no option but to continue to keep animals whilst the transition occurs so be it but other countries, such as America could easily cover any shortfall.
This post was made in 1997. Production has risen since...
U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat, Cornell ecologist advises animal scientists
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997...-livestock-eat
31-05-2015, 11:56 AM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by Meg
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...that is because of the over production of animals in some areas.
And anyway you are using an example where the people involved have very few options: as in the country is underdeveloped. These people can be discounted. Reducing this argument down to such local levels is counterproductive and misleading. These are the very people who need to be cared for by the developed countries.
After all why argue about feeding the world at all? It is to show that developed countries have the option to create enough food for ALL should they so wish. Underdeveloped countries are too weak to stand on their own feet, and like I have already mentioned: have very few options available to them.
31-05-2015, 12:14 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by MKJ
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You can't win this argument. It makes no sense to use animals as a form of protein.
I am not . There is no 'argument ' to win as far as I am concerned just different opinions.I think in order to 'win' anything with me you would need to change my opinion and you have failed to do that
. I also think you are taking a very narrow view from the stance of someone who lives in a developed country and can walk out of their house and have the option of a choice of food and activities to fill your time .
You might change your mind sitting in some small village far away with just your bag of grain and nothing to give you meaning to your life (except possibly reproducing the species and having offspring who are malnourished living on a restricted diet) .
31-05-2015, 12:19 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by Meg
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I also think you are taking a very narrow view from the stance of someone who lives in a developed country and can walk out of their house and have the option of a choice of food and activities to fill your time . You might change your mind sitting in some small village far away with just your bag of grain and nothing to give you meaning to your life (except possibly reproducing the species and having offspring who are malnourished living on a restricted diet) .
?Already answered the above ... it is nothing to do with them!
The strong look after the weak. The weak do not figure at all in this argument.
31-05-2015, 12:25 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by MKJ
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I don't think you are reading my replies ?Already answered the above ... it is nothing to do with them!
The strong look after the weak. The weak do not figure at all in this argument.
What if not everyone wants to live on grain I assume you are going to force you will upon them
31-05-2015, 12:28 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by Meg
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No Mark, the strong in this world will never 'look after the weak ' unless it suits them, you are anticipating a perfect world. The strong dominate the weak and force their will upon them . What if not everyone wants to live on grain I assume you are going to force you will upon them
31-05-2015, 12:30 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Is it the Hindus in India who never eat beef but always keep at least one cow, using everything the cow supplies during it's life time all it's excrement even is taken and used. When the cow dies it is buried respectfully.
They live on the milk etc the cow supplies and sell the off spring.
The only income they have is from this revered cow.
Grain only grows because of the cow's fertiliser.
Take away their cows and they cannot grow grains or anything else.
and the animals give purpose and meaning to their life .Life is not just about filling stomachs..
31-05-2015, 12:32 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by MKJ
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Nope. This is just an argument about overpopulation and whether enough food COULD be produced to feed everyone. I'm just saying we could produce enough if we wanted. Nothing more.
I could do lots of things but in isolation they mean nothing...
31-05-2015, 12:34 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by Meg
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What is the point of that Mark I could do lots of things but in isolation they mean nothing...
.An argument is an argument and from what I can see of it loads of them are complete cobblers - just like this one I suppose, though I have raised some thought provoking awesome points (as usual).
31-05-2015, 12:36 PM
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Re: Overpopulation?
Originally Posted by MKJ
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What is the point of a lot of things .An argument is an argument and from what I can see of it loads of them are complete cobblers - just like this one I suppose, though I have raised some thought provoking awesome points (as usual).
Precisely Mark , you must have been reading the 'wisdom' thread again
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