08-07-2021, 09:02 AM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by OldGreyFox
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Excellent post Zaphod, statistics are only any good if you have something to compare them to.I wonder if it matters all that much that the infection rates are rising, considering the hospital admissions and deaths are way below what they were last year for the same amount of infections.
The reasons for this are obvious, because it's mainly young people who are affected, and the vaccines are taking effect. However, I think the elderly and vulnerable know what they have to do stay safe, and despite restrictions being lifted and being vaccinated we must not let our guard down, I certainly won't. But I'd like to see everybody to return to work, school and university, and get the economy moving again, and it's up to us older folk to do what's necessary and let them get on with it. If it means locking down for the over sixties and vulnerable so be it.
Thank you and I agree with you.
The "squawkers" are IMHO doing nothing more than falling prey to the wiles of UK media (especially broadcast media) and their divisive, polarizing deceitfulness.
I say this because they never, never give a balanced report and only extremely rarely publish any "news" which is positive despite their being plenty of it - which is why I posted the comparisons above.
Again as with most things Covid-related it would not matter what approach our government takes, there are those that will oppose it encouraged by our media.
Open up and ease restrictions -> wrong!
Keep restrictions & precautions in place for longer despite the rate of fatalities being low -> also wrong and a sign of a power-hungry, domineering government!
People really ought to question just why the likes of the BBC aren't concentrating more on positivity and honesty than of giving the impression of gloating at every opportunity over what is realistically a very small rate of deaths from this virus.
As another example the latest release of weekly deaths says that in England there were almost 700 less deaths in that week than the five-year average!
I'm pretty sure that deaths - and certainly not Covid-related deaths - have not increased by anywhere remotely near that sum in the intervening ten days or so.
Those who think that the number of deaths is going to rise dramatically in the very near future will soon either be proven correct or have to admit that they were wrong and shut up.
We can as you say already see which way looks most likely with the relatively small increase in deaths versus the large rise in infections, but time will tell.
08-07-2021, 01:39 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by Omah
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https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/A further 32,548 confirmed cases in the UK were announced by the government on Wednesday .....
That's 192,902 in the last 7 days * .....
At that rate, the "storm" (50,000+) will be here by next week .....
08-07-2021, 04:13 PM
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https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/A further 32,551 confirmed cases in the UK were announced by the government on Wednesday .....
That's 197,464 in the last 7 days .....
Hospitalisations are still rising:
Daily 456 Last 7 days 2,661
Total number of recorded COVID-19 cases 5,022,893 .....
08-07-2021, 06:37 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by Omah
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Total number of recorded COVID-19 cases 5,022,893 .....
So in 500-odd days as near as makes no difference, just over five million have been infected?
That's an average of just over 10,000 infections each and every day.
Infections.
Not deaths or hospitalizations.
And certainly not that have even shown any symptoms.
I'm not going to dispute the consequences of Covid-19 in any way but to put that into perspective, despite a vaccination programme the UK sees an estimated 600,000 flu infections every year that sought medical advice.
In fact the latest forecasts suggest that flu will be a far bigger killer than Covid-19 next winter and this is maybe borne out by the most recent ONS data which shows that in England & Wales, flu & pneumonia deaths are currently ten times higher than for Covid-19.
IMHO Some people need to get a grip on reality.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nglandandwales
W/E 25/6/2021:
Total deaths 8690 (Last year 9339)
Deaths with flu 1009
Deaths with covid 99
08-07-2021, 06:55 PM
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Re: Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Eh?So in 500-odd days as near as makes no difference, just over five million have been infected?
That's an average of just over 10,000 infections each and every day.
Infections.
Not deaths or hospitalizations.
And certainly not that have even shown any symptoms.
I'm not going to dispute the consequences of Covid-19 in any way but to put that into perspective, despite a vaccination programme the UK sees an estimated 600,000 flu infections every year that sought medical advice.
In fact the latest forecasts suggest that flu will be a far bigger killer than Covid-19 next winter and this is maybe borne out by the most recent ONS data which shows that in England & Wales, flu & pneumonia deaths are currently ten times higher than for Covid-19.
IMHO Some people need to get a grip on reality.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nglandandwales
W/E 25/6/2021:
Total deaths 8690 (Last year 9339)
Deaths with flu 1009
Deaths with covid 99
09-07-2021, 10:56 AM
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NHS Covid app to be tweaked to cut need for self-isolationhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/20...old-to-isolate
New rules that will exempt double-jabbed people in England from having to isolate if a close contact has tested positive – allowing them to take tests instead – are due to come into force on 16 August.
Ministers had been warned that cases could be up to 25% higher if the new regime came in at the same time as most Covid restrictions were lifted on 19 July.
The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, acknowledged public frustration on Thursday, and said Javid was looking at an “appropriate, balanced and proportionate” approach for the app.
Jenny Harries, the head of the new Health Security Agency, later told MPs on the House of Commons public accounts committee that the government planned to tweak the app to account for the fact that the majority of adults were now vaccinated.
Her comments followed reports of numerous people deleting the NHS Covid app before the government’s planned lockdown easing in England on 19 July through fear of being contacted. A user is not legally required to self-isolate when alerted by the app because all data is anonymous.
09-07-2021, 01:13 PM
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Marked increase in Covid infections across UKhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57776814
Latest data from swab tests in the community suggests one in every 160 people has the virus. That is up from one in every 250 in the previous week. For England, it is the highest level since mid February.
The more infectious Delta variant now accounts for 99% of cases *, according to Public Health England.
Around two-thirds of adults have now been double jabbed against the virus, and experts say this is helping prevent very big rises in Covid hospitalisations, although admissions are increasing.
Many of the infections being seen are among teenagers and young adults.
Sarah Crofts from the ONS said: "We are seeing marked increases in infections across all four UK countries driven by the Delta variant, which continues to be the most common across the UK. As the vaccine rollout continues and restrictions are further lifted, it is crucial that we continue to closely monitor the data."
Dr Jenny Harries, chief executive of the UK Health Security Agency, said the sharp increase in cases being seen had not been followed by a similar increase in hospitalisation and death, suggesting the vaccines were working well.
* So, if BJ hadn't left the door open for the Delta virus to enter the UK, we'd have hardly any cases of COVID-19 at all .....
09-07-2021, 04:07 PM
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https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/A further 35,707 confirmed cases in the UK were announced by the government on Friday .....
That's 206,046 in the last 7 days .....
Hospitalisations are still rising:
Daily 509 Last 7 days 2,872
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