21-07-2015, 12:31 PM
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Re: Good -v- Evil
Originally Posted by Pumicestone
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Not entirely sure about that.I know what you mean but I think a hallmark of civilization is that each society creates rules - not necessarily ordained by 'nature'.
For the well being of the tribe, its members agree not to crap where they eat or breed with their siblings - that sort of thing.
Those in the group agree to impose penalties for actions that "nature" would condone.
Not so ?
21-07-2015, 03:26 PM
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Re: Good -v- Evil
Originally Posted by Pumicestone
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Not entirely sure about that.I know what you mean but I think a hallmark of civilization is that each society creates rules - not necessarily ordained by 'nature'.
For the well being of the tribe, its members agree not to crap where they eat or breed with their siblings - that sort of thing.
Those in the group agree to impose penalties for actions that "nature" would condone.
Not so ?
a) we all crap
b) crap can be harmful to us if ingested
c) crap attracts other creatures (which Nature has ordained are pests/vermin to us)
and so on
Nature cares not one whim whether we crap where we eat or not. She neither condones it or objects to it. She has simply set the rules for the environment in which we must all exist. Actions have consequences because of those rules.
Every society that has ever existed, has lived within Nature's rules, like it or not. Every society has inevitably perished because Nature has ordained that nothing stays the same. Everything is in a constant state of flux, a transition from one form to another. In it's own way, everything "lives" it's just that some things have basic existence and others more complex existence. Some things "live" and grow exceptionally slowly, like metals and gems. Yet they are all elements of Nature, operating according to her rules.
Society, governments, authorities are simply illusions or distractions. They are not creations of Nature, but rather the trivial notions of life (people) that Nature has created. They exist so that one person might exploit another.
The nub of life lies in the understanding of what Nature is, how she operates, what her rules are. Such understanding leads to knowledge and wisdom which allow us to get more from Nature, to get the best from it, sometimes to duplicate what Nature does on a smaller scale (As above, so below).
One can spend one's life believing that truth is that which is presented to you by authorities, governments, religions and societies. To do so, is imo, perilous folly. Nature is all around us and she can provide all we need if we understand her ways.
21-07-2015, 04:02 PM
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Re: Good -v- Evil
Originally Posted by Realist
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Well, the tribe make such agreements because Nature has ordained that :a) we all crap
b) crap can be harmful to us if ingested
c) crap attracts other creatures (which Nature has ordained are pests/vermin to us)
and so on
Nature cares not one whim whether we crap where we eat or not. She neither condones it or objects to it. She has simply set the rules for the environment in which we must all exist. Actions have consequences because of those rules.
Every society that has ever existed, has lived within Nature's rules, like it or not. Every society has inevitably perished because Nature has ordained that nothing stays the same. Everything is in a constant state of flux, a transition from one form to another. In it's own way, everything "lives" it's just that some things have basic existence and others more complex existence. Some things "live" and grow exceptionally slowly, like metals and gems. Yet they are all elements of Nature, operating according to her rules.
Society, governments, authorities are simply illusions or distractions. They are not creations of Nature, but rather the trivial notions of life (people) that Nature has created. They exist so that one person might exploit another.
The nub of life lies in the understanding of what Nature is, how she operates, what her rules are. Such understanding leads to knowledge and wisdom which allow us to get more from Nature, to get the best from it, sometimes to duplicate what Nature does on a smaller scale (As above, so below).
One can spend one's life believing that truth is that which is presented to you by authorities, governments, religions and societies. To do so, is imo, perilous folly. Nature is all around us and she can provide all we need if we understand her ways.
23-07-2015, 01:31 AM
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Re: Good -v- Evil
Originally Posted by Realist
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... Society, governments, authorities are simply illusions or distractions.
Originally Posted by gumbud
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I think you are describling a "nudist colony" ...
Originally Posted by Robert Junior
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Guess WOK, a blunder like that confirms the presence of a pompous old fart.
Am I the only one who cannot see any sense in any of the above postings ?
23-07-2015, 11:41 AM
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Re: Good -v- Evil
Originally Posted by Realist
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It's sad but it seems that every thread on this forum that gains traction into serious and worthwhile discussion/debate ends up subverted by nonsense/frivolous posts by those lacking the capacity for rational and open thinking. It's such a shame.
I find your replies fascinating though
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