I totally blame Cameron. You don't launch a referendum with no plan B. I can't believe he was allowed to just walk away.

When I point out the advantages of a union, I get moscow on my back, claiming I am an imperialistic spy. The fact that I'm not british, and the brexit has foreseeable consequences for us, and our government is long since taking measures, invites these accusations. You, pointing to the advantages of united trade deals are only called a fool. You may call me a fool, but not a spy.
The poor man of europe has been used on this forum before, by a brit. The growth of UK economy after 1973 is easily checked.

Ok prove we wouldn't have been just as well off outside EU ? Most countries have grown over that time period inside and outside EU. Actually some have grown more outside eu than any eu country has grown within it.

And that proves nothing really, many in UK were against joining, if they had their way we would never have joined and may well have been as well off now as we have been in eu. That you believe you can prove anything rather makes me think you are making it up as you go along or you have a crystal ball. It's the same with leaving leave nor remain can prove anything it's a risk either way. A risk some of us relish as we want to make things better.

Supporting the view that democracy is preferable to rule by the people. Let us just hope that your democratic leaders make the right decisions, irrespective of standersby opinions. So far May's course is in line with her promises before you elected her. And elected her your representative in negotiations. There is more to that lady than meets the eye.

Just read this article by Trevor Kavanagh in the Sun Newspaper. It certainly lays bare the pickle we are in thanks to Theresa May’s cowardice in dealing with the EU. It is rather a lengthy read, but the words certainly resonate with what is happening in this country of ours.

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100 years after WW1, are we set to surrender?


BRACE, BRACE! The pilot has locked the cabin door, passed the joystick to Ollie the autopilot and we are all of us - Brexiteers and Remainers - going down together.
The crew is baling out while Theresa May sticks her fingers in her ears, ignores screaming cockpit sirens and steers Britain towards abject humiliation.
Barring a bold last-minute swerve - or the ejector seat - we are all doomed.

To lose Brexiteer BoJo as Foreign Secretary - was unfortunate.
To lose his kid brother JoJo, a staunch Remainer, is a disaster for this Prime Minister.
From their different points of view, both put their finger on the sheer madness of Mrs May’s botched bid to extricate Britain from EU coils.

Her BRINO plan, Brexit in name only, is a blatant half-in, half out stitch-up which will infuriate every single one of the 17.4 million people who voted out.
And as Jo Johnson crisply points out, it betrays even those who voted to remain.

The PM’s shambolic Chequers plan keeps Britain enslaved by EU rules, with no power to do trade deals, no say in decision making and a £40 billion bill for the privilege.
Worse, she has left Britain with no escape except through a barbed wire minefield of transport and trucking chaos.
Theresa May has squandered two precious years, torn up her Mansion House promises and destroyed her Commons authority with a jaw-dropping election flop.

Beyond this catalogue of incompetence, the greatest indictment is her failure to prepare for a No Deal and to let Brussels know she means it.
She was simply terrified of upsetting chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier by even hinting Britain might be better off out.
She refused to antagonise our erstwhile partners - now our competitors - by ordering crucial No Deal preparations, still less building them.
And she ignored the blindingly obvious, even though European leaders spelled it out in capital letters: “Britain must be PUNISHED for daring to leave”.
The PM resorted instead to her default position, stubborn secrecy and political paralysis, using up precious time and taking us deeper and deeper into the long grass.

Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and other Leavers must accept some of the blame. They had no idea what to do with a Brexit vote in 2016, and mostly still don’t. They retreated from the battlefield and left it clear for well-organised Remainers.
But for them, Theresa May would not have walked virtually unopposed into No 10. Nor would she have survived last year’s election fiasco.
Once in Downing Street, all she had to do to strike fear into her critics was wave the prospect of a Labour victory.

But those squabbling Tories need to wake up and smell the coffee. Unless something happens very fast, they have already lost the next election, whenever it is held.
The implications of their cowardice are chilling. Three centuries of British democracy, free speech and a free press are at risk from a Marxist government.
Global investors would suck truckloads of cash out of the UK economy the instant they sniffed a likely Corbyn victory.

Tories need to understand voters of all persuasions will find it hard to forgive them for leaving Britain at the mercy not just of Corbyn, but also a triumphant and vengeful EU.
They might not go out and actually vote Labour, but millions who supported Brexit will sit on their hands on polling day or vote for a revived Ukip, Labour would win by default.

There is only one way out of this mess. Brexit must be shown to have worked.
Remain is no longer an option. Indeed, we may now be heading remorselessly for No Deal.
Thanks to Mrs May and her useless Chancellor, Phil Hammond, this will not come without pain.
But we escape with imagination and true British grit or we will be boiled alive!.

It means on this centenary Remembrance of our struggle against tyranny, we risk ceding non-military victory in Europe to the undemocratic forces of an unaccountable totalitarian regime.

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Do Remainers agree with the above? Do Leavers believe the above is true? It is now blatantly clear in my opinion, that Theresa May, our Prime Minister by default, is fully set on betraying the democratic will of the people. The only defence we have of stopping her treachery are our elected MP’s.
Unless she rolls back on her mad plans immediately,Parliament must fully reject her plan to keep us tied in to the EU with absolutely no power at all. Failing that, we desperately need her to be outed with a no confidence vote immediately.
Yes, I know, I appreciate it is the most insane thing to do at the vital end of the negotiations, but we need someone to deal Britain the hand it was given - Brexit - in full - as promised and voted for, by both parties. THE WOMAN HAS TO GO!

Rule by the people is democracy, democracy at it's truest. That does explain why we don't agree on the eu, they hate true democracy or any watered down semblance of it too.

And that proves nothing really, many in UK were against joining, if they had their way we would never have joined and may well have been as well off now as we have been in eu. That you believe you can prove anything rather makes me think you are making it up as you go along or you have a crystal ball. It's the same with leaving leave nor remain can prove anything it's a risk either way. A risk some of us relish as we want to make things better.