22-11-2020, 04:46 PM
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Re: Senior Home Office official QUITS after vicious rows with Priti Patel
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I don't think he has been employed as a civil servant for quite a few years now. He was hired as an independent advisor. So not "another civil servant"
As Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests he was indeed a civil servant.
22-11-2020, 05:04 PM
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Re: Senior Home Office official QUITS after vicious rows with Priti Patel
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Oh dear.As Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests he was indeed a civil servant.
22-11-2020, 05:11 PM
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Re: Senior Home Office official QUITS after vicious rows with Priti Patel
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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There is no evidence of his contractual status.
"Civil servants are those who are employed by 'the Crown'. "
"Civil servants are usually - but not always - in practice employed by 'Ministers of the Crown' - so most civil servants work in government departments and are therefore employed by Government Ministers." (*1)
" I should now resign from my position as the Prime Minister’s independent adviser on the Code." (*2)
That makes it pretty clear that he worked for the PM and so was indeed a civil servant.
If you need more, see Wiki's heading "Civil service career" here and take note of where the section ends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Allan
*1 https://www.civilservant.org.uk/info...finitions.html
*2 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...sir-alex-allan
22-11-2020, 05:14 PM
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Re: Senior Home Office official QUITS after vicious rows with Priti Patel
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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Priti is leaving?Not according to this:
Priti Patel shakes up antiquated work practices at Home Office
"The top ranks of the civil servants at the Home Office are to be shaken up in the wake of claims of bullying by Priti Patel, with officials forced to work some weekends and be subject to performance reviews."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...hake-up-priti/
If she were to be sacked and presumably replaced by a weaker minister who would allow his/her civil servants to effectively run the show, we would have lost an element of democracy.
In a democracy, at least in theory, we the people run the country. Every five years we elect the politicians who we decide would be the best ones to run the country the way we want it to be run.
In a 'civil service-ocracy', however, we the people have absolutely no control of the way the country is run.
Every five years we elect the politicians we want, who have absolutely no power over the civil service. The civil service are then at liberty to run the country as it sees fit and no doubt to its own personal benefit.
Yes, an uncontrolled and unaccountable civil service would result in the loss of our democracy, such as it is.
We need more Priti Patels!
22-11-2020, 05:18 PM
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Re: Senior Home Office official QUITS after vicious rows with Priti Patel
This report was published 2012:The Prime Minister’s adviser on Ministers’ interests: independent or not?
"We also sought to consider the role of the Civil Service in helping to prevent breaches of the Ministerial Code" (Page 3)
Sir Philip himself said:
“the important thing is to try and prevent problems arising in the first place, rather than investigating them after they have surfaced” (Page 7)
If the allegations are to be believed then Rutnam obviously failed in his duties.
22-11-2020, 05:20 PM
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Re: Senior Home Office official QUITS after vicious rows with Priti Patel
Originally Posted by JBR
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In a democracy, at least in theory, we the people run the country. Every five years we elect the politicians who we decide would be the best ones to run the country the way we want it to be run.
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