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Coronavirus: The Disppearing Deaths

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711

A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.

The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid. Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures. But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic. This brings England's measure in line with the other UK nations.

Figures for deaths in England for the most recent week of data - 18 to 24 July - will drop by 75%, from 442 to 111.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland's 28-day limit between a positive test and death looked reasonable. But even so, that measure does not include those who might have been on a ventilator for more than 28 days.

In future, death numbers for England will be published using both 28-day and 60-day cut off points. The 28-day limit will, however, be the headline measure and will at least achieve consistency across the UK.

Cutting around 5,400 from the death total will be a talking point among statisticians. But it won't make any difference to tens of thousands of families who have been bereaved because of the virus.
This isn't the first time that the UK government has "massaged" the figures:

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03-07-2020, 11:03 AM

The last time that I checked, 29 Jun 2020, Cases were 311,965 and Deaths were 43,575.

Today the figures are Cases: 283,757 and Deaths: 43,995

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

A note reads:

"We have updated the methodology of reporting positive cases, to remove duplicates within and across pillars 1 and 2, to ensure that a person who tests positive is only counted once. Methodologies between nations differ and we will be making future revisions to align approaches as much as possible across the 4 nations.Due to this change, and a revision of historical data in pillar 1, the cumulative total for positive cases is 30,302 lower than if you added the daily figure to yesterday’s total. We will revise the methodology note explaining this in more detail in due course"

Believe it or not .....
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ding10july2020

Looking at the year-to-date (using the most up-to-date data we have available), the number of deaths up to 10 July 2020 was 353,407, which is 53,419* more than the five-year average. Of the deaths registered by 10 July 2020, 50,946 mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate.
Previously 64,451:

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-c...pean-countries
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13-08-2020, 01:58 PM
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That 5000 is just a start.

Let's see where it ends up.
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But the number of deaths from the Chinese Plague is "only" only one statistic though more than bad enough in itself. There is also the huge costs to treat people who need intensive support during the critical stages and thereon often over months and in some cases ongoing.

Add to that the impact it is having on NHS treatment of people who are stuck on expanding waiting lists, in some cases where delays will result in death while timely treatment would have had a very much more favourable outcome.

In any case what is now happening with this monster is probably not a second wave, it's more than likely it's the first wave increasing as the people are behaving that it's over and things can return to normal. Well they're bloody WRONG.
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
In any case what is now happening with this monster is probably not a second wave, it's more than likely it's the first wave increasing as the people are behaving that it's over and things can return to normal. Well they're bloody WRONG.
From memory, technically a wave is something to do with nodes and antinodes. So, the next time it rises and follows the distribution curve, it will be a second wave.
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14-08-2020, 10:06 AM
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Hi

The Government are manipulating the news.

Shouting loudly about 5,000 less deaths whist saying nothing about reducing the number of tests by 1.3 million.
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Apparently anyone who tested positive for Covid then died, had the cause of death recorded as Covid regardless of the cause of death, even if they died of an existing condition or were even were hit by a bus! There had to be something wrong with that surely?
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Originally Posted by Dextrous63 ->
From memory, technically a wave is something to do with nodes and antinodes. So, the next time it rises and follows the distribution curve, it will be a second wave.
Can you say that again Dex !!

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Originally Posted by Barry ->
Apparently anyone who tested positive for Covid then died, had the cause of death recorded as Covid regardless of the cause of death, even if they died of an existing condition or were even were hit by a bus! There had to be something wrong with that surely?
Have you noticed that deaths is staying very low Barry??
This could be because the supply of over 70s is getting smaller
as we peg off!
Perhaps the age of the unlucky ones should be published as well??

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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Can you say that again Dex !!

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It rather depends if the axis is offset and if the wave is asymmetrical or even irregular. Sexual ambiguity and degree of inherited ambidexterity can also play a part.

Nurse! What were we talking 'bout? More meds please.
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Have you noticed that deaths is staying very low Barry??
This could be because the supply of over 70s is getting smaller
as we peg off!

Perhaps the age of the unlucky ones should be published as well??

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