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Yes I would ask police to disregard drone evidence, but they would use it anyway.

That's what they do along with using mobile phone & computer records (which i am also not happy about). Police should be doing investigations not dunking biscuits in tea watching a screen while sitting on their derrieres.

Mobile phone and computer records should be private too. We should not be recorded all the time using the excuse that it stops crime - it doesn't. Schools are covered in CCTV and it doesn't stop kids stabbing one another.

They show all these videos of people on CCTV during crime investigations but has it ever stopped anyone from being murdered or raped or mugged?

If people want to do these things they will and they will get away with it. Our prisons are full and there is a certain acceptance that criminals will be let off for that reason. The reason being that we cannot afford to put them away.

Constant surveillance just takes away the liberty of the innocent. The criminals continue regardless.

My questions to you are how long have we had CCTV? Has it stopped crimes being committed? Now you answer my questions please.

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Tempted as I am to glibly ask "what has this got to do with e-bikes", I'll refrain

I know for a fact that some children behave better due to the presence of CCTV, partly because they've told me and partly because previous areas which later had cameras pointing at them had a significant fall in the number of miscreant behavior patterns which were not repeated elsewhere largely due to no such areas being available to them.

I also suspect that this is the case in the wider public areas, somewhat supported by the use of speed cameras, or are you suggesting that people don't check and amend their speed when they see a camera coming up? Are you also suggesting that homes with CCTV security systems are burgled in equal proportion to those that don't?

What precise liberties are removed from the innocent by the existence of surveillance systems? And are these any different from having a large police presence?

Sure, neither a well funded police service nor a surveillance system will stop all criminals. But both do and will help, otherwise what's the point of either?

From what you say, you don't think that any surveillance works to reduce or prevent crime? Is it not possible that part of the reason our prisons are full is because surveillance has helped apprehend criminals?

As for your point about police dunking biscuits watching monitors, this point has been clarified earlier by swimmy.

Finally, with reference to phones and computers being kept private...if this were to be the norm, then the likes of Gary Glitter would still be walking the streets and singing his awful songs. There was a recent TV series in which serial paedophiles were successfully hunted down (by the screen watching police officers) due to their computer activities. They, most likely, would never have been caught otherwise. That alone seems sufficient to me.

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You are the one who brought it back off topic are you not? (NB another question for you!).

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I wish I had the patience to scroll back however many pages, but I guess I don't.

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Point taken. As you well know, topics evolve into (loosely at times) related areas of discussion. We're all guilty of it.

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He pointed out that civilians monitor, er, monitors.

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If children behave better then why are so many schools no go areas with stabbings? I would say that homes with a visible CCTV system are more likely to be targeted for burglary because they are advertising they have something valuable inside. Half the time these days they will be able to hack into home security as it's all online. There are weaknesses in any such system and in the meantime we are all being dragged into a surveillance society.





I wonder how many lives speed cameras have saved versus for example road humps. I recall a big kerfuffle when they were first introduced and were grey and hidden. There was a court case many years ago forcing them to be in the open and their presence marked clearly. There is a legal precedent somewhere about all this but I cannot be bothered to google it. The point is that we have these systems in place despite all the objections they are foisted on us. We have to lump it.

I recall in Germany on the autobahn's there used to be a minimum speed limit but no maximum. I wonder whether they have done away with that there.

Do speed cameras stop e-scooter crime? Do any cameras stop theft of e scooters or regular scooters?



yet somehow there are still paedo's doing their thing every day. I don't know much about the glitter case. Wasn't he caught abroad? Has it stopped other paedo's? Are they not still walking the streets?

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Do you mean mobile phone footage by individuals?

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Street lights are there predominantly because it is believed that they make people feel safer and reduce much, but not all, opportunistic crime.

Police are there predominantly because it is believed that they make people feel safer and reduce much, but not all, crime and catch some of those that offend.

Since they are not 100% effective then your logic seems to suggest that we turn off all of the lights and get rid of the police entirely?

Glitter was originally caught in the UK because he took his PC to a repair shop, and child porn was found on his hard drive which the repairers reported to the police. Should the police not have investigated it and not used his hard drive as evidence?

Yes, there are paedo's still walking the street, but almost certainly not as many of them as there might have been had evidence not been tracked to their computers.

It is difficult to quantify any of the specifics you ask for. I suspect different outcomes have occurred to those you suspect.

It is an obvious point that the only people who are reducing the liberties of the innocent are those that wish to break laws. What choice do we realistically have other than to make it as difficult as possible for them to do so and remove them from going about their unlawful business whenever and wherever possible? If this (unfortunately) requires a wider usage of technology, then so be it.

Do I like it? No. Do I want it? No. But I don't see a realistic nor affordable alternative.