The mess we have now is because the Remain voters wouldn't accept the results of the referendum and have consequently done all that they can to subvert that vote. The duplicitous MPs who said they would honour the outcome have also reneged on their promises with a determined effort to keep us in ably abetted by a `Remainer` PM who just accepted some terms given to her by the EU, terms that could never be agreed upon no matter which side of the Leave/Remain camp parliament was.

In my opinion, as soon as the result was announced, steps should have been taken to remove us from that corrupt organisation within a month - no payment, no deal, no nothing. As soon as we were out, proper trade alliances and agreements could have been forged without the interference of EU bureaucracy.

The mess we have now is because the Remain voters wouldn't accept the results of the referendum and have consequently done all that they can to subvert that vote. The duplicitous MPs who said they would honour the outcome have also reneged on their promises with a determined effort to keep us in ably abetted by a `Remainer` PM who just accepted some terms given to her by the EU, terms that could never be agreed upon no matter which side of the Leave/Remain camp parliament was.

In my opinion, as soon as the result was announced, steps should have been taken to remove us from that corrupt organisation within a month - no payment, no deal, no nothing. As soon as we were out, proper trade alliances and agreements could have been forged without the interference of EU bureaucracy.

Just don't like Globalization, it is a logical conclusion, but, logic ain't the be and end all.

But that's all part of the shambles. The polarisation of the country and our politics. Bad decisions by our politicians (this should have been a given if you look at their past performance). Poor planning (or no planning). I just thought it would be complex and expensive to unpick all the current arrangements and I can't bear to see waste when it's so difficult for so many to keep businesses going and families fed. I saw this exercise as a waste. But the shambles about NI totally surpassed anything. Now that's not a leave/remain issue. It's a political hot potato.

There are also plenty of leave supporters who don't agree with other leave supporters (e.g. Boris Vs Nigel just this weekend). I've seen it on this forum too and those who disagree with no deal are accused of being closet remainiacs.

It's all a bit like "fifty shades of Brexit" for masochists.

We’ve been through all this before but I’d like to remind the more right wing leavers of a few points:-

-The British Empire is over as is the notion of Splendid Isolation.

Of course the British Empire is over - I haven't seen any leaver on here denying this. However, the remainers who mock us about and have such opposition to an Empire need to acknowledge that when the EU gets is army, it will become the Empire you oppose so much. What a bunch of hypocrites the remainers are !

-WW2 is over. A justified war to free Europe and the World from Fascism and other far right Dictatorships
-you seem to be anti German and anti French and fear their domination yet voted to leave them to it with no prescence at the table to rein them in. ( your world view, not mine)

The EU is dominated by France and Germany - its built around it. French agriculture and German manufacturing are the building blocks of the EU project and have been since the Coal and Steel Community that was formed just after the 2nd World War.

You are still under this illusion that the EU can be changed and controlled from within - it can't. Look at the number of national vetoes that have been reduced since the last 20 years or so and then have a good listen to Ursula Van de Leyens speech about "more QMV" - which means less national vetoes. Guess which countries have the most influence under QMV and guess who appointed her as Dear Leader when she wasn't even on the ballot ? Go look at the polls for the AfD in the Eastern German regions - Merkels CDU is in for a drubbing in the elections next month. The rise in the AfD (far right) are BECAUSE of the EU and its policies (with help from Merkel).


- EU is backing its Ireland as it is a member of the EU.
The EU is taking the opportunity to stop the UK leaving by threatening to destroy the Good Friday agreement and return Ireland to what it was like in the 1970's. Don't be fooled by the backstop - this is a power grab by Varadkar in cahoots with the EU to have the Republic having ultimate control over NI. When we enter the backstop, there is nothing to stop the EU handing control of Northern Ireland to the Republic because all of the UK will be a non-voting vassal state of the EU.

More convinced than ever that there are those in England who are used to being the dominant nation in a Union and don’t like being a part of a larger Union in which they don’t get their own way all the time.

Not true at all - leaving the EU restores sovereignty to the UK as whole not just England. You can't keep blaming Westminster for the failings of other governments such as the SNP.