31-10-2018, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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We're alright.Europe will eat itself once again.
This time we'll let you get on with it.
Don't fancy Holland's chances that much when the Wehrmacht come a knockin'.
One of the best things that has happened to this country in the intervening decades is that most people with half a brain, and especially the young, have forsworn expressions of contempt for foreigners, seeing much to admire in their economic, social and cultural achievements.
If many EU nations now face serious political difficulties so too, heaven knows, do we.
Most intelligent people recognize that we finished up on the winning side in 1945, but this DOES NOT entitle Britain to the undying gratitude of old allies, any more than we expect the losers to go on paying moral or political reparations for defeat.
We might go a step further, and occasionally display sympathy for what continental Europe suffered in both world wars, incomparably worse than our own tribulations, rather than indulge in a feast of nationalistic triumphalism fed on movies about Churchill and 1940.
The dead and injured in both world wars did not give you permission to use them as pawns in a childish parody of our brave and noble European neighbors.
31-10-2018, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JBR
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Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it!
31-10-2018, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by itsme
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How disgusting, how dare you use the death and suffering of our solders and those of our many allies as some kind of justification for your retarded view of the present day is beyond contempt.One of the best things that has happened to this country in the intervening decades is that most people with half a brain, and especially the young, have forsworn expressions of contempt for foreigners, seeing much to admire in their economic, social and cultural achievements.
If many EU nations now face serious political difficulties so too, heaven knows, do we.
Most intelligent people recognize that we finished up on the winning side in 1945, but this DOES NOT entitle Britain to the undying gratitude of old allies, any more than we expect the losers to go on paying moral or political reparations for defeat.
We might go a step further, and occasionally display sympathy for what continental Europe suffered in both world wars, incomparably worse than our own tribulations, rather than indulge in a feast of nationalistic triumphalism fed on movies about Churchill and 1940.
The dead and injured in both world wars did not give you permission to use them as pawns in a childish parody of our brave and noble European neighbors.
I am convinced that there are people who would like to see another armed conflict. After all somebody always makes money out of a War.
31-10-2018, 09:56 PM
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Re: EU Swindle Of The Century
Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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Being ex Merchant Navy - our shipping was at war from day one. Germany's Pocket Battleships roamed the seas and shelled single merchant ships, sinking many of them. One pocket battleship - the Graf VonSpee, was caught in the South Atlantic by Commodore Harwood's squadron leading to the Battle of the River Plate in December 1939. Subsequently,in December and January 1940 the German ship Altmark containing many merchant navy prisoners was stopped by HMS Cossack in Norwegian waters and the prisoners released before Altmark was sunk.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-irish-coast/
31-10-2018, 10:00 PM
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Re: EU Swindle Of The Century
Originally Posted by Moscow
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Some of us think the country that started the war was the one that crossed a border or entered foreign airspace uninvinted and with violent intent in the form of it's armed forces destroying things and killing people.
31-10-2018, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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It lost the oil-wielding regions in the east to the Stalin’s regime and its very sovereignty to the Hitler’s regime.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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To summarize, the theory that Poland caused WW2 is based upon the fact that it was in a world of shit - trapped between Germany and USSR at the worst time possible. Its very existence was hindering the two to trade and be friends with each other. By forging alliances with German and Soviet enemies - France and Britain, Poland only accelerated the misery the XX century had prepared for it. One could try and draw a logical scheme, which says that Poland started the WW2 by entering in the above mentioned alliances, but had Poland not done it, the National-Socialists and Communists would have attacked it anyway, which would not have been left without a response from France and Britain. The WW2 was bound to happen.
As I understand it there was a controversial argument in recent times, as to what would have happened had Poland surrendered to the Nazis as did other nations.
31-10-2018, 10:22 PM
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Re: EU Swindle Of The Century
Originally Posted by itsme
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How disgusting, how dare you use the death and suffering of our solders and those of our many allies as some kind of justification for your retarded view of the present day is beyond contempt.One of the best things that has happened to this country in the intervening decades is that most people with half a brain, and especially the young, have forsworn expressions of contempt for foreigners, seeing much to admire in their economic, social and cultural achievements.
If many EU nations now face serious political difficulties so too, heaven knows, do we.
Most intelligent people recognize that we finished up on the winning side in 1945, but this DOES NOT entitle Britain to the undying gratitude of old allies, any more than we expect the losers to go on paying moral or political reparations for defeat.
We might go a step further, and occasionally display sympathy for what continental Europe suffered in both world wars, incomparably worse than our own tribulations, rather than indulge in a feast of nationalistic triumphalism fed on movies about Churchill and 1940.
The dead and injured in both world wars did not give you permission to use them as pawns in a childish parody of our brave and noble European neighbors.
Thanks for the diatribe , even though it is utter bollox and bears no relativity to my post.
31-10-2018, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Hitler caused WWII. He would not have stopped until he had his lebensraum and world domination. Hitler's aim, aside from world domination, was territory for the Aryan race to expand, Stalin's was revenge for the 1920 war when Russia suffered heavy losses from the Polish assault, and redrawing the map of Europe to that of the Russian empire.
31-10-2018, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Yes, but those have no knowledge of history apparently. Britain had declared war on germany in september 1939. It is to be expected that, since attack is te best defence, some hostilities would be directed against britain.
Let's not kid ourselves.......Hitler , and therefore Germany, had been preparing for a general war of expansionism and racial cleansing for most of the 1930's.
This war, accepting the many other factors that had built tensions such as TheVersailles treaty, was Hitler's war.
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