Re: Brexit and the EU

I agree, but who?

Shamefully, UKIP - which would have been an obvious choice, and my preference - seems to be still arguing and falling out with each other.

Who else is there?

Re: Brexit and the EU

The only two viable options available as from 2016. Slowly it is beginning to dawn.
As for your "real brexit" not one of your politicians is dumb enough to lead his citizens into that abys.

Re: Brexit and the EU

They've embrace Tommy Robinson that's the death knell for them for many I think. Nigel Farage is furious and with a bit of luck might have another go ?

Re: Brexit and the EU

My bold.

Annies - Looking at the recent posts, in this thread, would you still say that it is the Hard Brexiteers who just jump up and down and shout the loudest?

Would you not agree that the most footage/post sizes have been from just one or two recent joiners who don't even post in other Forum Threads at all?

If I want to read long diatribes I can do that, just as well, by being given a link.

Brexit postings seem to have descended ever further into postings arguing that everyone who voted out was stupid.

That hasn't worked as a plan.

The remainers are claiming that we don't know how damaging it will be to leave, but they don't see the damage caused if we stay.

(Note: Someone will press me to post some proof of that, so I'm off to build a couple of hundred lines of diatribe ready to use.)

Re: Brexit and the EU

She was very clear and firm in those question that she WILL deliver BrExit and that she is committed to doing that..

BUT . . . . .

There's the clever "sleight of hand" psycho technique that we are seeing time and time again here.

The referendum asked "Do you want to STAY in the EU or LEAVE the EU"?

The referendum DID NOT ask:

"Do you want BrExit or not?"


Using the term BrExit is a nefarious sleight of hand. It allows the EU stooges to take us away from the idea of "Leave the EU" and instead focuses us towards this new fangled term which no-one knows the true interpretation of.

What is BrExit? What does BrExit actually mean?

And once they establish that uncertainty the doors open to all manner of clever ruses like "We didn't vote for a 'BrExit' with this and that?" and so on.

People need to really wake up and see the subversive techniques that these Common Purpose stooges use on a daily basis.


The referendum asked whether to STAY or LEAVE the EU.

End of.

Simple

Black and White.

Therefore our government, SHOULD have been spending the past 2 years negotiating arrangements for us to cover what happens AFTER WE LEAVE.

What we actually have is a Remainer PM wasting months of effort with purposeful delay tactics and then negotiating deals that don't actually see us leave the EU at all

Re: Brexit and the EU

Yep.

So very obvious.

And it is happening on a grand scale. Forums right across the internet suddenly infested with EU stooge posters absolutely DESPERATE to sow the seeds of doubt into Leaver's minds.

See it for what it is. Don't be fooled.

As with the campaigns that occurred during the referendum these people concentrate on giving you:

REASONS WHY LEAVING THE EU WILL BE SO BAD

instead of giving you:

REASONS WHY STAYING WOULD BE GOOD


This is a propaganda machine pure and simple. Massive effort, doubtless massive man-power. All in a huge attempt to force a second referendum and to ensure that if it happens they will have convinced enough people to reverse the democratic BrExit decision.

STAND FIRM

If you were on the fence, look at the duplicitous techniques being employed by these people and realise that we need to be out of the EU. Realise that there is nothing wrong in changing the status quo, leaving the EU, seeing what ACTUALLY occurs and knowing that if we ultimately don't like it we can always apply to rejoin, no question.

If we stay we will never again have the opportunity to leave. It's a one time opportunity. DO NOT WASTE IT.

Re: Brexit and the EU

You set the date for leaving the eu, march 2019.
The present deal has been on the table since april this year. You could have said yes then.
Negotiations on future relationships start after, and only then, after brexit.
By accepting the brexit deal in april this year, you would have given the future negotiators (assuming it will not be May) a year to plan a strategy.
As things stand you leave in a few months time, and subsequently start negotiating future relationships. Until now nobody even mentioned the existence of a plan.

Re: Brexit and the EU

Maybe a bit of hope. Nigel is calling for a Ukip no confidence vote in current Ukip leader, Gerard Batten, over Tommy Robinson.

Re: Brexit and the EU

Perfectly true.

Some accuse Farage and UKIP of being a 'one-trick pony'. That's exactly how I'd describe those members of the forum.

Just my personal opinion, of course, but I see no point in discussing with them and responding to their repetitive posts.

Actually, I sometimes suspect that they might be 'plants' by the EU or their fifth-columnists in this country! That's certainly something that might be done by a desperate enemy anyway.

Re: Brexit and the EU

Article 50 set the date. 2 years after it is triggered.

Only complete fools would accept a "deal" that leaves us under EU control indefinitely.

BS. The EU can and WILL negotiate our future relationship right the way through this process, before, during and after BrExit.


Not worried in the least. The situation makes a "No Deal" exit more of a likelihood which I personally now think is the only real solution to get everyone to get off their arses and properly sort everything out. While ever people like yourself embark on media campaigns to try and get the referendum decision reversed, there will exist doubt and uncertainty. Once we are actually out, with a "No Deal" all this pathetic media campaigning will suddenly go quiet. We will be out, gone, free and there will be nothing you can do about it.

Stop whining. We voted to LEAVE and LEAVE WE WILL.