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11-09-2020, 10:19 AM
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Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?

We keep hearing of ideas to make changes in UK.
Be it Brexit, NHS, Corvid, you name it.

I, for one, often see the value of these plans and would like to see a reasoned introduction.
But I, like others, rarely see that happen.

Why?

Because once the ideas are put out to the Civil Service, who are paid, handsomely, to fulfil implementations for the government, things stop happening!

Or, at the very least, they slow down and costs increase massively.

Every private business would go broke if it employed people like this!

Some sackings have started - but why not sack the whole lot?
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11-09-2020, 10:54 AM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?

Originally Posted by Tedc ->
We keep hearing of ideas to make changes in UK.
Be it Brexit, NHS, Corvid, you name it.

I, for one, often see the value of these plans and would like to see a reasoned introduction.
But I, like others, rarely see that happen.

Why?

Because once the ideas are put out to the Civil Service, who are paid, handsomely, to fulfil implementations for the government, things stop happening!

Or, at the very least, they slow down and costs increase massively.

Every private business would go broke if it employed people like this!

Some sackings have started - but why not sack the whole lot?
Over a (short) period that is precisely what should take place for probably the vast vast majority. There IS such a thing as the Civil Service mindset, it is extremely contagious, and can not be cured.
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11-09-2020, 09:54 PM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?

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We keep hearing of ideas to make changes in UK.
Be it Brexit, NHS, Corvid, you name it.
Could you give an example of the NHS/covid changes that have been thwarted. I'm avoiding any Brexit chat these days
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11-09-2020, 10:11 PM
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Could you give an example of the NHS/covid changes that have been thwarted. I'm avoiding any Brexit chat these days
And HS2 is well on the way?

Donkeyman! 😇😇
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11-09-2020, 10:27 PM
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And HS2 is well on the way?

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It doesn't appear the civil service stopped it.

Anyway I was just asking because the civil service and the public sector aren't one and the same. Does the OP mean the civil servants in places such as the Cabinet office? Because there are Public bodies which are not comprised of Civil servants.
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12-09-2020, 11:07 AM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
It doesn't appear the civil service stopped it.

Anyway I was just asking because the civil service and the public sector aren't one and the same. Does the OP mean the civil servants in places such as the Cabinet office? Because there are Public bodies which are not comprised of Civil servants.
their careers web site tells us what job they think they have!


https://www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/departments/
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12-09-2020, 11:26 AM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
It doesn't appear the civil service stopped it.

Anyway I was just asking because the civil service and the public sector aren't one and the same. Does the OP mean the civil servants in places such as the Cabinet office? Because there are Public bodies which are not comprised of Civil servants.
The public bodies are grossly overstaffed and overpaid based on the actual work most of them do and the civil service have lost the plot and need to be restaffed with people who will do what they are told by the minister and not stick their six peneth in.

I REALLY mean that. In the private sector most of them, cs and those in public bodies wouldn't get through the door let alone last five minutes.

But for me the real annoyance is that the SOB's believe that they're so essential while although some of the jobs and services are the people doing those jobs are anything but.
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12-09-2020, 11:38 AM
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Some sackings have started - but why not sack the whole lot?
I'd rather they sacked appointees like Dido "Incompetent" Harding, Baroness Harding of Winscombe (Chair of the National Institute for Health Protection, Head of NHS Test and Trace, Chair of NHS Improvement, Member of the House of Lords) .....

Famously, as CEO of TalkTalk (private business), she was incumbent when the company experienced a 'significant and sustained cyber-attack', during which personal and banking details of up to four million customers were thought to have been accessed. When asked if the affected customer data was encrypted or not, she replied: 'The awful truth is that I don't know'. The magazine Marketing ran a headline, 'TalkTalk boss Dido Harding's utter ignorance is a lesson to us all'.
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12-09-2020, 11:41 AM
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Re: Whose Job is it To Make Plans Happen?

Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
The public bodies are grossly overstaffed and overpaid based on the actual work most of them do and the civil service have lost the plot and need to be restaffed with people who will do what they are told by the minister and not stick their six peneth in.

I REALLY mean that. In the private sector most of them, cs and those in public bodies wouldn't get through the door let alone last five minutes.

But for me the real annoyance is that the SOB's believe that they're so essential while although some of the jobs and services are the people doing those jobs are anything but.
Hi

Fine.

Sack them all and do it yourselves.

No more 5 Eyes, GCHQ, MI5 or MI6.

No more Porton Down.

Your choice, your decision.
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12-09-2020, 11:44 AM
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Hi

Fine.

Sack them all and do it yourselves.

No more 5 Eyes, GCHQ, MI5 or MI6.

No more Porton Down.

Your choice, your decision.
Just try reading what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. Portion Down? WHY IS IT EVEN OPEN?
 
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