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09-02-2019, 12:57 AM
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These are just a series of cut and pastes from NSW Dept of Health website:


A single dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective, two doses 97% effective.

Measles-containing vaccine is recommended for children at 12 months of age as MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine, and at 18 months of age as MMRV (measles-mumps-rubella-varicella) vaccine. (Varicella = Chicken Pox)

About 10% of measles cases involve complications. The World Health Organization is overseeing efforts to eliminate measles worldwide through immunisation and surveillance strategies.

From 1 April 2018, the immunisation requirements in primary schools were extended to secondary schools so that all school principals are required to:

  • request an immunisation certificate at enrolment
  • record each child’s immunisation status in a register and retain copies of approved immunisation certificates for a period of 3 years after the child has ceased to attend the school
  • provide a copy of a child’s immunisation certificate to another school that the child has transferred to (upon request)
  • notify the public health unit if an enrolled child has a vaccine preventable disease, or if they reasonably believe that an unimmunised enrolled child has come into contact with someone who has a vaccine preventable disease
  • exclude unimmunised children at risk of contracting a disease from attending school on the direction of a public health officer.


Why have these changes been made?

These changes have been made to collect accurate information about children’s immunisation status and to help manage disease outbreaks in schools and the community. In particular, the changes are in response to:

  • an increase in the incidence of some vaccine preventable diseases in secondary school aged children. For example, secondary schools are a higher risk setting for measles outbreaks as there is a higher risk of older children having missed routine childhood vaccines either due to lower overall coverage when they were infants, or because they have moved to Australia after infancy and missed the opportunity to be vaccinated
  • the need to exclude unvaccinated students from school who have been in contact with someone with a vaccine preventable disease, regardless of whether or not there is an outbreak at the school. This is to prevent the spread of disease to other people as many diseases are infectious before any symptoms appear
  • parents of children can now readily access their immunisation records as the Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) holds immunisation records for people of all ages.


This is the full NSW immunisation schedule (including vaccines for adults and Aboriginals):

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/immuni...n-schedule.pdf
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09-02-2019, 01:46 AM
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People forget that measles is a killer. It's ironic that in the wealthiest countries in the world people are still dying of preventable diseases.

Here's an article about Roald Dahl's daughter, who died of measles before a vaccine was available.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/a...te/2810571002/
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Originally Posted by Bruce ->
These are just a series of cut and pastes from NSW Dept of Health website:

- exclude unimmunised children at risk of contracting a disease from attending school on the direction of a public health officer.

Why have these changes been made?

- the need to exclude unvaccinated students from school who have been in contact with someone with a vaccine preventable disease, regardless of whether or not there is an outbreak at the school. This is to prevent the spread of disease to other people as many diseases are infectious before any symptoms appear
So once again let me question the dubious logic of this entire situation.

There are 2 types of people in the world. Those who WANT the vaccinations and those who DON'T WANT the vaccinations.

Anyone who is afraid of Measles can simply go and get vaccinated and thus have no worries about dying and other fear factors.

Anyone who isn't afraid of Measles and the fear factors and wants their child to catch Measles and thereby build their own natural immunity can simply NOT have the vaccination.
We were encouraged I think to get these things when we were kids to acquire that long life immunity.

So far so good. Now the dubious logic comes in.

Why would a school EXCLUDE a child who is not vaccinated?

Why is that an issue?

The NSW DoH spiel above says:

"This is to prevent the spread of disease to other people as many diseases are infectious before any symptoms appear"

What people are they talking about?

Other kids?

But the other kids have been vaccinated so there's surely no problem whatsoever with any other kids walking around with early contagious Measles is there???

And all the other kids who haven't been vaccinated, that's presumably by purpose and their parents WANT them to get Measles to be able to acquire that Natural immunity.

Note also that in Bruce's pasted info above another of their "excuses" for widespread vaccination is that:

Originally Posted by NSW DoH Spiel
secondary schools are a higher risk setting for measles outbreaks as there is a higher risk of older children having missed routine childhood vaccines either due to lower overall coverage when they were infants, or because they have moved to Australia after infancy and missed the opportunity to be vaccinated

These seem like fair points at first until you realise that actually ANYONE can have the Measles vaccine. Here's the info from the UK NHS:

Originally Posted by NHS
Catching up on the MMR vaccine

"Adults and children who are not immune because they missed 1 or all MMR doses when they were younger can have the MMR vaccine on the NHS at any age. This may include:

• teenagers
• adults
• people travelling
• women preparing for pregnancy
• people exposed to measles during a measles outbreak"

So we see again that EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE. Anyone who is afraid of the fear factors and who doesn't want to get Measles CAN go and have the vaccine, simple as !


Therefore this idea of "spreading the disease around" the school or indeed anywhere else is a nonsense.

People have a choice.

They can have the vaccine if they are worried

They can NOT have the vaccine if they are not worried or if they want to gain natural immunity rather than laboratory synthetic alternatives.


So the big question still remains.

Why are those who HAVE been vaccinated the least bit worried about other unvaccinated kids running around the school with Measles??????

It doesn't add up does it . . . .


Well . . . .

Unless . . . .

The vaccine actually doesn't work very well ! Then I guess there would be concerns !
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09-02-2019, 02:03 PM
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Realist they exclude un-vaccinated children from schools during measles outbreaks. It is a killer so I'm not sure why you are against this.
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Hi

i have a very simple view of life.

Do not vaccinate your children, your choice.

You do however pay the full costs of treatment for your kids and all others affected.
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You do however pay the full costs of treatment for your kids and all others affected.
I agree with the former but not the latter Swim.

If everyone has a choice to have or not have a vaccine then "all others affected" as you put it, are people who have chosen NOT to have the vaccine.
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I agree with the former but not the latter Swim.

If everyone has a choice to have or not have a vaccine then "all others affected" as you put it, are people who have chosen NOT to have the vaccine.
No it's people whose parents have decided that they should be denied the vaccine for crackpot reasons. The children do not have a choice.

These people grow up un-vaccinated and are at risk of contracting measles when it surfaces from contact with the people from un-vaccinated countries.

Failure to have an MMR vaccine is particularly risky for pregnant women in the first trimester. Measles and mumps can cause premature labour and miscarriage. Rubella can cause birth defects.
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09-02-2019, 05:23 PM
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Just a small point though....
I was vaccinated against measles...But caught it while still young. I don't think the vaccine stops you from catching measles, but puts your body in a greater position of surviving it. Having caught the disease and survived, your protection would be further enhanced would it not.

I think it would be altogether more risky to catch measles without the protection of the vaccination...
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That's unlucky OGF as measles is a highly effective vaccine. You would have had a milder version of the illness.
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The statistics surrounding alleged success of the Measles vaccine are as ever shrouded in controversy and dubious reporting measures, something that is witnessed all to often with vaccine analysis.

Here's some commentary which highlights some of the contrarian perceptions:

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2016/...sharp-decline/

"I believe the measles vaccine has created more cases of measles than it ever prevented. Measles outbreaks over the last few years have all been traced back to the vaccine strain and the outbreaks are occurring in highly vaccinated populations. During the Disney False Flag a commentor, who identified herself as a nurse (no name) stated the measles vaccine not only did not work, the vaccine was infecting children who received it. This is her comment:

In my experience working in mainstream medicine for 22 years, I found that when pediatricians saw kids with the exact same symptoms, labs and history, they would diagnose the un-vaccinated kids with the apparent disease, e.g. “measles,” but the vaccinated would be diagnosed as “viral syndrome, NOS.”

This was on the basis that they assumed the vaccinated kids could NOT possibly have the disease! As far as I know that is standard practice. So the percentage of vaccinated children who get the diseases may in fact be much higher than what we are told.

Having family in the medical field I asked them and they said it was common. They are taught in med school vaccines work so if the child is vaccinated they could not possibly have the illness no matter what the labs say.

In “Fear of the Invisible” by Janine Roberts she interviewed Dr, Maurice Hilleman of Merck, she asked why there were so many reported side effects from the vaccine. Merck arranged for her to speak to Hilleman and she documented the conversation:

“I wondered why so many side effects, so went to the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine to see if they had any explanation. They arranged for me to speak on the phone with their top expert in the US, Dr Maurice Hilleman, the internationally renowned specialist who developed the MMR vaccine.

I said to him ‘I understand this vaccine is made up of living viruses that you have so weakened so they will not make the child ill, but not so weakened that they will not give the child immunity. It must be difficult to so exactly weaken viruses?’

‘Exactly, you have hit the nail on the head.’ he replied.

I then queried, ‘Do you have any guidelines for doing this?’

‘Yes,’ he said, ‘Twenty percent.’

I did not understand this very brief answer so asked him to explain.

He replied: ‘If only 20% of the children fall ill from the vaccine, that is judged acceptable.’

When I gasped with surprise, he quickly added, ‘Oh I don’t mean seriously ill. Just lightly ill.’

I next interviewed the top British expert on immunisation at London University, Professor Michael Stewart of the School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. I asked him; ‘Some parents are telling me they suspect their children have been made ill as a consequence of vaccination. Are their fears groundless?’

I nearly fell off my chair when he replied: ‘What else would you expect? We all know the current childhood vaccines containing living viruses are dangerous. That is why I am heading up a team to develop safer vaccines.’ He went on to explain that, with living viruses, there was always potential for some to mutate or to be insufficiently attenuated for safe use in the vaccine.
http://reaids.com/fearoftheinvisible...-with-mmr.html

The book details 10 years of Roberts attendance at high level government vaccine workshops and meetings with some of the industries most prominent vaccine developers. Reading how the measles vaccine is developed it’s a wonder every child that’s it’s given to is not made critically ill.

Here are some pictures parents took of their children after they were vaccinated because of the Disney scare:

VACCINE INDUCED MEASLES

-An Unexpected Side Effect of My Daughter’s Measles Vaccine
http://www.kveller.com/an-unexpected...asles-vaccine/

-My Sons’ Vaccine-Related Measles
http://www.vaccinationinformationnet...lated-measles/

-Genotype Testing Showed Baltimore Baby’s Symptoms Were A Reaction To The MMR, Health Officials Relieved http://www.inquisitr.com/1801210/gen...baltimore-mmr/
-https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205874067907027&set=p.10205874067 907027&type=1&theater

Story of one little girl:
-vaccinescanharm.com/story-of-one-little-girl.

-http://edgytruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/facebookimage.png

Hopefully these images are still online. I gotta wonder how many more parents are blown off with the explanation that their child, who’d just been vaccinated and is now sick with the illness they were vaccinated for, has been told their child has psuedo-measles or a measles like rash. But not measles."



 
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