11-05-2021, 06:24 PM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Solasch
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As I understand it there was a majority for independence (SNP + Greens) before election, and after there still is?
11-05-2021, 06:29 PM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Wasn't there something amiss with that referendum, in that promises were made, arguments given to vote for staying in the royal union, that on later balance were not valid?
11-05-2021, 06:45 PM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by weedeek
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In 2014, Scots were told that the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU was to vote against independence. It is this lie particularly which has added fuel to the present pressure for another referendum amongst Indy supporters.
At the time of Scotland's referendum there was no intention of holding a Brexit referendum.
In case you've forgotten, it wasn't decided that a Brexit referendum would be held until 2016 - after attempts to negotiate concessions from the EU earlier that year failed.
You'd be better asking why the SNP didn't object before the Brexit referendum took place since by accepting participation in the referendum the outcome was obviously also accepted.
What was a lie however is the "once-in-a-generation opportunity" claim from the SNP at the time of the Scottish independence referendum if the push for another one continues.
11-05-2021, 06:50 PM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by weedeek
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In 2014, Scots were told that the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU was to vote against independence. It is this lie particularly which has added fuel to the present pressure for another referendum amongst Indy supporters.
You won't be in the EU you whichever way you vote now.
You don't qualify and Spain doesn't want you
12-05-2021, 11:26 AM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Zaphod
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It wasn't a lie.At the time of Scotland's referendum there was no intention of holding a Brexit referendum.
In case you've forgotten, it wasn't decided that a Brexit referendum would be held until 2016 - after attempts to negotiate concessions from the EU earlier that year failed.
You'd be better asking why the SNP didn't object before the Brexit referendum took place since by accepting participation in the referendum the outcome was obviously also accepted.
What was a lie however is the "once-in-a-generation opportunity" claim from the SNP at the time of the Scottish independence referendum if the push for another one continues.
The “once in a generation “ thing was a campaign slogan, you’ll search in vain to find any such quote in the Edinburgh Agreement “, at least it wasn’t written on the side of a bus.
Same old narrative, same old answers. Move on, “events dear boy”, as someone said.
12-05-2021, 11:35 AM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Bread
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You won't be in the EU you whichever way you vote now.You don't qualify and Spain doesn't want you
12-05-2021, 12:27 PM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by weedeek
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Whether an independent Scotland applied to rejoin the EU will be up to the Scottish people, there are a good few Indy supporters who would vote not to join ( not me of course, but they are entitled to their view and to vote accordingly.) If Scotland voted to negotiate to join then who knows. Maybe we’ll be able to join or we won’t, it won’t be your problem, so relax.
It took Croatia 30 years, good luck with that.
Is the EU aware it needs to fund Scotland through the Barnett formula? We should give the nationalists a flavour of independence by stopping the Barnett formula for 6 months.
Sturgeon has had 7 years to find answers to the most basic questions over independence and still can't give a proper answer. Only the brave hearts believe her bullshit.
12-05-2021, 01:04 PM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Bread
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It took Croatia 30 years, good luck with that.Is the EU aware it needs to fund Scotland through the Barnett formula? We should give the nationalists a flavour of independence by stopping the Barnett formula for 6 months.
Sturgeon has had 7 years to find answers to the most basic questions over independence and still can't give a proper answer. Only the brave hearts believe her bullshit.
the existence of a functioning market economy as well as the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the EU.
An independent Scotland first has to be able to stand on its own legs before requesting accension to the EU.
12-05-2021, 01:15 PM
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Re: Another Blow for Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Solasch
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It doesn't need to. One of the (Kopenhavn) requirements for admittance is:the existence of a functioning market economy as well as the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the EU.
An independent Scotland first has to be able to stand on its own legs before requesting accension to the EU.
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