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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
The person that thought up the euro should be put against a wall!!
As Meg and Bread said, Just imagine if we had listened to Blair and joined the euro!!! One can only imagine what it must be like for all of those European countries having to be part of that one size fits all currency.

I often wonder whether they each yearn for the past when they had control over their own economies and adjusted their currencies as and when needed. Now, they have chains around their necks and it's a case of sink or swim according to the current at the time diktat of the EU.

Thank the good Lord that we never joined the euro.

Very true.

Some on here think it's a good thing to have the common currency because of fixed exchange rates (which is what it basically is). However, when you think about it, if you have stable economies and electronic methods of payment (instead of cash exchanges from country to country) it becomes irrelevant.

Look at what happened in the UK with the ERM ... a good example if what happens when you do just that and peg your currency to somebody elses. The Euro is no different, just pegged to all those countries in the Eurozone (OMG).

It only serves a purpose in trapping countries in the EU. Nothing more.
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
Agree with you both. I do not wish to see the EU collapse. I never have. But something must change in order for it to survive, regardless of what any pro-EU supporters on here or anywhere else says.

What I abhor are the lies that were told by Heath and his cohorts to the British people back in the 70's - that we were joining a Trading organisation to make it easier for trading between the countries of Europe. The lies have continued ever since by every elected Prime Minister and cabinet. Betrayal of this country by those same traitors in collusion with the EU, can never be undone. The referendum was our one and only opportunity to have our say and show our disgust at such betrayal of this country and it's people. No amount of tears by Theresa May will hold sway over that. She could never shed enough tears for what has been heaped on the unsuspecting people of this country which has been given away piece by piece over the last four decades.. Good bluddy riddance to her.
I agree wholeheartedly with your post SG, I have no wish to see the people of Europe suffer or indeed the collapse of their economies. The EU aka The Common Market could have been brilliant had there not been a hidden agenda to control and bully the countries therein.

What did people think would happen when poor countries were allowed equal membership when their economies were so much poorer than the original seven.
Whole populations scrambling to provide a better living by migrating to countries with economies so removed from their own, wages they could only dream about became a reality, and causing major population destabilisation, even to the point of bringing down their host country.
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24-05-2019, 12:08 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
Based on exit polls: forum came from nothing on 3 seats. Wilders lost 3 seats (4 -> 1), so no net change in the far right. Rutte's vvd from 3 to 4 seats. Labour, with timmermans, expected to succeed junckers, from 3 to 5 seats. Eurosceptic socialist lost a seat, pro EU greens won a seat.

Break up of the EU? Forget it.
The exit poles had the remainers streaks ahead of the brexiteers in the last referendum. That's the beauty of politics Solasch, just when you think it's safe to poke your head above the parapet some bugger shoots it off!
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
I often wonder whether they each yearn for the past when they had control over their own economies and adjusted their currencies as and when needed. Now, they have chains around their necks and it's a case of sink or swim according to the current at the time diktat of the EU.

Thank the good Lord that we never joined the euro.
There is a gibraltar pound, falkland island pound, guernsey pound, jersey pound, manx pound. But not a scottish or welsh pound.
Since 1939 there is a sterling area.

So who do you think the EU took their idea from for a single currency?

On another note, if the UK entered the eurozone, what about all those overseas territories and crown dependencies that are now in the sterling area? Should they have their own currencies, own national banks?
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24-05-2019, 12:25 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
The exit poles had the remainers streaks ahead of the brexiteers in the last referendum. That's the beauty of politics Solasch, just when you think it's safe to poke your head above the parapet some bugger shoots it off!
The deviation here is 2%/party, max. When you have a referendum with only two choices, a deviation of 2% either way can make a real difference (the difference between leave and remain was 4%, so within the range of coincidence).
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24-05-2019, 12:26 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
There is a gibraltar pound, falkland island pound, guernsey pound, jersey pound, manx pound. But not a scottish or welsh pound.
Since 1939 there is a sterling area.

So who do you think the EU took their idea from for a single currency?

On another note, if the UK entered the eurozone, what about all those overseas territories and crown dependencies that are now in the sterling area? Should they have their own currencies, own national banks?

I dont know where they got their idea from it certainly wasn't us.

We have a centralised treasury... the euro doesn't.
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24-05-2019, 12:39 PM
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What did people think would happen when poor countries were allowed equal membership when their economies were so much poorer than the original seven.
Whole populations scrambling to provide a better living by migrating to countries with economies so removed from their own, wages they could only dream about became a reality, and causing major population destabilisation, even to the point of bringing down their host country.[/QUOTE]

They started as six. One of them italy, then a very poor country.
Contrary to your claim that integration was sneaked in later, it was the founding reason. Trade was the vehicle to gain integration of countries, thus preventing wars. After two ww's most countries had enough of battlefields.
That italy was poor didn't matter, that they wanted peaceful cooperation was. Poverty was an important reason why rightwing mussolini was able to start war.

So don't tell me the UK didn't know what they entered in. At least the government did.
As you have seen with brexit, your politicians have a tendency to lie to you about europe.
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24-05-2019, 01:14 PM
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Re: Could the European Elections herald the end of the EU?

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
They started as six. One of them italy, then a very poor country.
Contrary to your claim that integration was sneaked in later, it was the founding reason. Trade was the vehicle to gain integration of countries, thus preventing wars. After two ww's most countries had enough of battlefields.
That italy was poor didn't matter, that they wanted peaceful cooperation was. Poverty was an important reason why rightwing mussolini was able to start war.

So don't tell me the UK didn't know what they entered in. At least the government did.
As you have seen with brexit, your politicians have a tendency to lie to you about europe.
Ofcourse we knew what we entered. It's what came afterwards with all the political union crap that we didn't vote for.
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The end of the EU. If it happens they are solely responsible.
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The EU simply has to change its ways and cease trying to be an Orwellian totalitarian state seeking to remove people's freedoms and rights.

It deserves to collapse and probably needs to because it is already far too rotten to the core to be able to reform. It's had opportuinities to reform but has failed numerous times to do so.

It is vital that the British people see that BrExit is delivered properly and that our laws are changed to ensure that no poilitican can ever again sell the country down the river to a foreign power. Our Constitution must be restored and properly encoded too.

Nothing has changed today despite May's announcement.

There is only ONE CHANCE we have to leave, there is only ONE WAY we will ever leave and that is by a NO DEAL, just walking away.

The EU will never offer us a real withdrawal deal. Never.

So we MUST walk away, keep the lion's share of the £39 bn and then invite the EU despots back to the negotiating table.

We can't afford to allow our "bought and paid for" EU stooge politicians to keep pretending to be doing deals when in reality they are simply doing the bidding of Juncker & Co.

We must elect someone committed to taking us out with NO DEAL

Someone strong, completely eurosceptic and willing to do what it takes to put the EU in its place.

Unfortunately our government and political system is already infested with EU stooges so it's not going to be easy. We likely will need a revolution of some kind to rid the country of these traitorous parasites, maybe a UK equiv of the Arab Spring.

If we are given a referendum on How To Leave (with no Remain option) then we must 100% vote for the NO DEAL option. It is clearly the only way forward.
 
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