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Originally Posted by Bread ->
Another version of history.

Your version of history goes back to the 50's, the time in which most brexiters normally exist in.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.

Reds under the bed eh????
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McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.
Coincidentally, CORPUS JURIS is a legal system which permits the state to seize citizens off the street and incarcerate them for 6 months or more without evidence and without trial. In short it takes the sacred principle of "Innocent until proved guilty" and replaces it with the principle of "Guilty until you prove your innocence"

The EU wants to establish Corpus Juris and has already had the UK parliament review it. It was thankfully rejected but it is likely only a temporary arrangement. I have read websites that state the EU already has 1000s of people incarcerated in this way.

The fact that the EU megalomaniacs want to bring in such Orwellian totalitarian methods is reason enough, if any other were needed, to flee from the EU cesspit as quickly as possible.
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03-07-2019, 11:56 AM
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Coincidentally, CORPUS JURIS is a legal system which permits the state to seize citizens off the street and incarcerate them for 6 months or more without evidence and without trial. In short it takes the sacred principle of "Innocent until proved guilty" and replaces it with the principle of "Guilty until you prove your innocence"

The EU wants to establish Corpus Juris and has already had the UK parliament review it. It was thankfully rejected but it is likely only a temporary arrangement. I have read websites that state the EU already has 1000s of people incarcerated in this way.

The fact that the EU megalomaniacs want to bring in such Orwellian totalitarian methods is reason enough, if any other were needed, to flee from the EU cesspit as quickly as possible.

Dear god! not that old clap trap again???

Where is your evidence and the web sites you purport to read? Without these you are just a charlatan.
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Where is your evidence and the web sites you purport to read? Without these you are just a charlatan.
Nice try old chum but you know I posted the evidence last time. I think we all know who the charlatans are here . . . !

All material from the UK Parliament Website:

ESTABLISHMENT OF A EUROPEAN PUBLIC PROSECUTOR

https://publications.parliament.uk/p...-xix/15207.htm

"The Commission presented an outline of its proposal, which draws on the work of Corpus Juris,[11] at the Nice Intergovernmental Conference in 2000"

"The Commission proposes that a unified definition of fraud should be adopted, along the lines of Article 1 of the Corpus Juris, which also extends to grossly negligent conduct"


The Government's View

"As it made clear in response to the earlier Corpus Juris study, the Government is unconvinced of the need for an EPP. There are difficulties of principle and practice with both the earlier study and the ideas in the Green Paper. Corpus Juris would involve major changes in laws and procedures. It seeks to intertwine the inquisitorial and adversarial/written and oral traditions in Member States. The result would be more akin to the Continental European than the Anglo*Saxon model."


Then here is the Ninth Report of the House of Lords Select Committee

European Judicial Area

"It is within this context of a more integrated Union that the idea of a European Judicial Area has developed. Within this area, "magistrates would be able to seek and exchange the information they need to pursue their investigations without obstacles save the requirement to uphold the law"[39]. The Corpus Juris is perceived as an element of a European Judicial Area"

"Political enthusiasm to secure agreement is not always matched by an equal will or ability to ratify speedily. It is not surprising therefore that more radical solutions, such as the Corpus Juris, are being examined and debated. "

"The approaches taken in the United Kingdom to the investigation and prosecution of crime are quite different in several respects from those in other Member States and the model proposed in the Corpus Juris. Under the latter, for example, the functions of investigation and prosecution of offences and execution of sentences would be combined in the hands of a European Public Prosecutor (EPP). The trial would be in a national court but before a specialist judge, with no jury. The Commission could be involved as a Apartie civile@ in the proceedings"

"A particular concern, however, is the powers of remand given to the agents of the EPP. The EDPP or an EDelPP can request a person's remand in custody without charge or remand on bail for a period of up to six months, renewable for three months, where there are reasonable grounds to suspect the accused has committed a Corpus Juris offence or good reasons for believing it necessary to stop him from committing such an offence or from fleeing after committing it (Article 20 (3)(g)). Though it would be in the discretion of the national judge to decide the matter, the prospect that an individual may be held in custody, without charge, for up to nine months is totally unacceptable.



There is of course much more material but people can research that at their own leisure.
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03-07-2019, 02:11 PM
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In november last year you filled a complete thread (corous juris - the end of your freedom) with this fable. Anyone interested in how your arguments were refuted, can look it up there.
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03-07-2019, 02:29 PM
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Re: EU Democratic Appointments

Originally Posted by itsme ->
Your version of history goes back to the 50's, the time in which most brexiters normally exist in.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.

Reds under the bed eh????
I don't have a version of history like you.

I have history.

Your version of history thinks the EU was in place in the 1950's and the UK were part of it ...
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03-07-2019, 03:24 PM
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Oh look, fanatical Italian socialist Antonio Tajani (he who lied about the EU being the reason for the end of the 2nd world war) has now been replaced by fanatical Italian socialist David Sassoli.


Here comes single party politics at its best - a sewer of appointed socialists running the EU and the ECB.... hardly surprising though.

Whatever next ?

... Oh yes, more unelected EU Socialist Leaders to represent democracy across the 27/28.....
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03-07-2019, 06:25 PM
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Re: EU Democratic Appointments

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I don't have a version of history like you.

I have history.

Your version of history thinks the EU was in place in the 1950's and the UK were part of it ...

How do you come to that conclusion from my post?

History is history and your wallowing in the 1950's with regard to communism just reflects your lack of comprehension.

Check under the bed
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03-07-2019, 06:30 PM
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Re: EU Democratic Appointments

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How do you come to that conclusion from my post?

History is history and your wallowing in the 1950's with regard to communism just reflects your lack of comprehension.

Check under the bed

My point is that you have a different version of history to everyone else.

The EU did not exist in the 1950s.

The UK was not in the EU in the 1950s

Go Google it up
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03-07-2019, 06:37 PM
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Re: EU Democratic Appointments

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My point is that you have a different version of history to everyone else.

The EU did not exist in the 1950s.

The UK was not in the EU in the 1950s

Go Google it up
Are you totally daft, where did I say that the EU existed in the 50's therefore the UK could not be in it.

This is what I said;

Your version of history goes back to the 50's, the time in which most brexiters normally exist in.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.

Reds under the bed eh????

Where on earth does it mention the EU???????????????????
 
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