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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Abolition of a Political System means Anarchy.

The survival of the fittest and the most ruthless.

I want no part of that at all.

Been there, seen that, done it.

Simply not on.
And in its place you would have tyranny, dictatorship, a country run by a privileged political elite who have one rule for themselves and different rules for us? Essentially a world run by organised crooks and crime.

No thanks.
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01-07-2019, 09:34 PM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

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I have no issues with leaving the EU.

I have issues about how prepared we are.

We have been seriously let down by May and her Government.

This lack of preparedness on our behalf will benefit the EU and harm our Exporters.

This annoys me, I do not want to give them any advantage at all.
I'm beginning to wonder whether mrs may knows/knew something we don't. Is it beyond her to assume she has been planning all along to stay in the EU. Which makes minimizing spending on preparing to leave a sensible move.
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01-07-2019, 10:50 PM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
I'm beginning to wonder whether mrs may knows/knew something we don't. Is it beyond her to assume she has been planning all along to stay in the EU. Which makes minimizing spending on preparing to leave a sensible move.
Mad cow May new from day one that she would ignore
the ministers she appointed to do the negotiations and
would herself take over the the so called negotiating in
order to ensure that we could not ever leave!
She did a good job of it, perhaps if her plan succeeds the
EU will reward her somehow?
Our only hope now, allthough it is slightly longer term, is to
back Nigel to the hilt, and remove the rubbish that have
ruined this country

Regards Donkeyman!
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01-07-2019, 10:59 PM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Mad cow May new from day one that she would ignore
the ministers she appointed to do the negotiations and
would herself take over the the so called negotiating in
order to ensure that we could not ever leave!
She did a good job of it, perhaps if her plan succeeds the
EU will reward her somehow?
Our only hope now, allthough it is slightly longer term, is to
back Nigel to the hilt, and remove the rubbish that have
ruined this country

Regards Donkeyman!
I don't see a scenario by which farage is brought into play. It would be interesting to see however, how he would fare in HoC!
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01-07-2019, 11:02 PM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

A Corbyn government is a much bigger threat than Brexit.
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01-07-2019, 11:05 PM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
JH has announced he will put 9Billion aside to asist the
farming and fishing communities in the event of a no deal
brexit!
What the hell is he talking about?
The fishing industry is praying for a no deal so they can get
access to their fishing grounds again and so become viable
again!
Has he forgotten we relinquished them in favour of the eu
when we made the mistake of joining the so called free
market!
GGMS!!!

Regards Donkeyman!
Big question is: where would he get the money? The 26.6/27 bn £ brexit war chest is only available in case of brexit with a deal. So how can he promiss anyone extra money? He can always increase taxes, but that seems "not done" among conservatives
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02-07-2019, 12:45 AM
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JH could always scrap HS2.. just like Farage has announced , thus saving £100 billion

Scotland might need some help with the fishing industry if this is true. An article written by The Ferret , but it won't let me link the page. However, this is some of what it says.. so Scotland in the mire atm.

Nearly 200 fish farms are allowed to use a carcinogenic chemical called formaldehyde which is used to embalm corpses, The Ferret can reveal.

Documents disclosed under freedom of information law reveal that 184 Scottish fish farms are permitted to use formaldehyde in a solution called formalin, which is used as a disinfectant to guard against parasites and diseases.

Formaldehyde has been famously used by artist Damien Hirst to preserve dead animals such as cows, lambs and sharks. Formalin is a water solution containing formaldehyde which is legal to use, but there are concerns over its safety.
In India last year, for example, there was a scare over preserved fish laced with the chemical, prompting a ban on fish imports in Goa state.

The UK government classified formaldehyde as a carcinogen in 2016 which means there are restrictions on its use, but it is permitted for use by the caged salmon industry.

The campaign group, Scottish Salmon Watch (SSW), which obtained the documents, wants formaldehyde banned. Concerns have been expressed over the potential of formalin leaks into river, lochs and seas.
The documents were released by the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency (Sepa). They reveal that a company called Mowi, formerly known as Marine Harvest, used 50.7 tonnes of formalin between May 2017 and September 2018 on salmon farms at Loch Shiel, Loch Arkaig, Loch Lochy and Loch Garry.

One document revealed there was an “accidental overdose” of formalin at Mowi’s Glenfinnan salmon farm at Loch Shiel in October 2017. This was “due to human error” leading to 1,343 dead fish.

As part of its investigation, SSW filmed vats of formaldehyde labelled “corrosive” and “toxic” this month outside The Scottish Salmon Company‘s Russel Burn Hatchery on the shore of Loch Kishorn.
Don Staniford, director of Scottish Salmon Watch, said: “The salmon farming industry uses formaldehyde, via a formalin solution, as a disinfectant to guard against parasites and diseases although there are fish welfare and environmental concerns as well as human health impacts due to its carcinogenicity.

“The use of carcinogenic chemicals such as formaldehyde on salmon farms should be banned immediately. A public register of all chemicals used by salmon farms in Scotland is urgently required. The public surely have a right to know which toxic chemicals – including formaldehyde – are being used at which salmon farms.”
John Aitchison, of Coastal Communities Network, Scotland, said any discharge of toxic chemicals from salmon farms and hatcheries into Scotland’s rivers and sea “is a real cause for concern”.

He added: “That an overdose of formaldehyde/formalin killed 1,343 fish shows that this is a potent chemical. It has no place being dumped into rivers or the sea, where it can harm wild animal and where people from coastal communities live or make their living,” he added.

Aquaculture chemicals used to treat farmed fish can also kill or harm crustaceans that many fishermen depend on catching, Aitchison argued.


................................. and quite a lot more to read. Odd that this has only just been revealed.
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02-07-2019, 08:16 AM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

Originally Posted by Puddle Duck ->
JH could always scrap HS2.. just like Farage has announced , thus saving £100 billion

Scotland might need some help with the fishing industry if this is true. An article written by The Ferret , but it won't let me link the page. However, this is some of what it says.. so Scotland in the mire atm.

Nearly 200 fish farms are allowed to use a carcinogenic chemical called formaldehyde which is used to embalm corpses, The Ferret can reveal.

Documents disclosed under freedom of information law reveal that 184 Scottish fish farms are permitted to use formaldehyde in a solution called formalin, which is used as a disinfectant to guard against parasites and diseases.

Formaldehyde has been famously used by artist Damien Hirst to preserve dead animals such as cows, lambs and sharks. Formalin is a water solution containing formaldehyde which is legal to use, but there are concerns over its safety.
In India last year, for example, there was a scare over preserved fish laced with the chemical, prompting a ban on fish imports in Goa state.

The UK government classified formaldehyde as a carcinogen in 2016 which means there are restrictions on its use, but it is permitted for use by the caged salmon industry.

The campaign group, Scottish Salmon Watch (SSW), which obtained the documents, wants formaldehyde banned. Concerns have been expressed over the potential of formalin leaks into river, lochs and seas.
The documents were released by the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency (Sepa). They reveal that a company called Mowi, formerly known as Marine Harvest, used 50.7 tonnes of formalin between May 2017 and September 2018 on salmon farms at Loch Shiel, Loch Arkaig, Loch Lochy and Loch Garry.

One document revealed there was an “accidental overdose” of formalin at Mowi’s Glenfinnan salmon farm at Loch Shiel in October 2017. This was “due to human error” leading to 1,343 dead fish.

As part of its investigation, SSW filmed vats of formaldehyde labelled “corrosive” and “toxic” this month outside The Scottish Salmon Company‘s Russel Burn Hatchery on the shore of Loch Kishorn.
Don Staniford, director of Scottish Salmon Watch, said: “The salmon farming industry uses formaldehyde, via a formalin solution, as a disinfectant to guard against parasites and diseases although there are fish welfare and environmental concerns as well as human health impacts due to its carcinogenicity.

“The use of carcinogenic chemicals such as formaldehyde on salmon farms should be banned immediately. A public register of all chemicals used by salmon farms in Scotland is urgently required. The public surely have a right to know which toxic chemicals – including formaldehyde – are being used at which salmon farms.”
John Aitchison, of Coastal Communities Network, Scotland, said any discharge of toxic chemicals from salmon farms and hatcheries into Scotland’s rivers and sea “is a real cause for concern”.

He added: “That an overdose of formaldehyde/formalin killed 1,343 fish shows that this is a potent chemical. It has no place being dumped into rivers or the sea, where it can harm wild animal and where people from coastal communities live or make their living,” he added.

Aquaculture chemicals used to treat farmed fish can also kill or harm crustaceans that many fishermen depend on catching, Aitchison argued.


................................. and quite a lot more to read. Odd that this has only just been revealed.


Applies mainly to salmon which is a fresh water fish.

The bass you see in supermarkets is mainly farmed in places like Portugal. If you can, avoid it like the plague because the fish swim around in their own sh1t which the fish eat.

Brexit means we can set aside marine conservation zones so that stocks can recover properly and we can regulate them by licensing and traring up the horrendous discard and quota system put in place by the EU. For the caring conservationist EU this is one of their biggest failures and has decimated our territorial waters for many species including bass, cod, sole and herring.

A land everything you catch policy based on number of days at sea and size of boat is the way to go. I would also ban pair trawling and the factory ships

As a recreational sea angler it is illegal for me to catch and take a single bass in this part of the fishing season. Even if the landed fish is sizeable but dead, it has to be put back ... just another example of the stupidity if EU rules ... if I was a commercial boat I could take tonnes of it with nets that do not discriminate for sizeable and undersized fish. The undersized ones go back dead or the boats get hefty fines.

The rest are landed in foreign ports where they are sold- not a penny coming back to the UK.
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02-07-2019, 08:36 AM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Applies mainly to salmon which is a fresh water fish.

The bass you see in supermarkets is mainly farmed in places like Portugal. If you can, avoid it like the plague because the fish swim around in their own sh1t which the fish eat.

Brexit means we can set aside marine conservation zones so that stocks can recover properly and we can regulate them by licensing and traring up the horrendous discard and quota system put in place by the EU. For the caring conservationist EU this is one of their biggest failures and has decimated our territorial waters for many species including bass, cod, sole and herring.

A land everything you catch policy based on number of days at sea and size of boat is the way to go. I would also ban pair trawling and the factory ships

As a recreational sea angler it is illegal for me to catch and take a single bass in this part of the fishing season. Even if the landed fish is sizeable but dead, it has to be put back ... just another example of the stupidity if EU rules ... if I was a commercial boat I could take tonnes of it with nets that do not discriminate for sizeable and undersized fish. The undersized ones go back dead or the boats get hefty fines.

The rest are landed in foreign ports where they are sold- not a penny coming back to the UK.
Hi

Thanks for the above.

It just confirms what an idiot you are.
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02-07-2019, 09:11 AM
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Re: Hunt to help fishing industry if no deal????

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Hi

Thanks for the above.

It just confirms what an idiot you are.
Your the one that wants to keep the system of quotas and discards - you said yourself
 
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