31-01-2020, 04:34 PM
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Re: German, EU Army Off to a Great Start !
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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The Dutch (like the Belgians) just rolled over and let the Germans in.
I think the Dutch resistance didn't even last a day, and then after the 2nd word war, when finally they were liberated by the UK and the USA, they go and get occupied by Germany again by joining the EU and letting them take over their country.
Some people eh ...
31-01-2020, 04:46 PM
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Re: German, EU Army Off to a Great Start !
Originally Posted by Percy Vere
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The Dutch (like the Belgians) just rolled over and let the Germans in.
Was the German invasion in the May days of 1940 a piece of cake? That is a tough fairy tale. The first battle was convincingly won by the Dutch. The Luftwaffe never recovered from the loss of hundreds of devices. An American with Dutch ancestors recently wrote the book about our air force.
In the late night of 10 May 1940 a low noise was heard at 3:50 am above Ypenburg airport. German Heinkel 111s are diving down. Dutch pilots of the 1st Hunting Aircraft Division (JVA) run to the eight Fokker D.XXIs, and take off while the bombs fall. Similarly, shortly thereafter, eleven 8A-3Ns aircraft from the 3rd JVA. These nineteen pilots immediately end up in fierce air combat with a swarm of German aircraft.
Second Lieutenant Van de Vaart shoots a D0 215 reconnaissance device, second Lieutenant Droste a Junker Ju 88 bombing device and Sergeant Aarts a Bf 110C. The force majeure is far too great - but still! Sixteen Dutch planes are, temporarily or definitively, out of combat. Immediately afterwards, two companies of paratroopers descend on the Delft-Ypenburg motorway. They must secure the airport. There is little room in their schedule. Because in no time the airborne troops will have to go to The Hague like crazy to capture the Dutch government, the military top and the entire royal family.
German attack failed
The Berlin plan failed completely. Junker 52s whirl to the ground in swirling flames, hit by Dutch defenses. The para survivors do not reach the airport on time. Their confusion is growing due to the highly effective deployment of eight Swedish Landverk armored vehicles with forward and reverse steering. Handy on the narrow roads. The first airborne troops arrive at 6.15 am, unsuspectingly. The first eight Junker 52s go down, the other five break to pieces at the landing or then go to pieces. Three more waves of Junkers follow. They undergo the same fate, or crash, landing, in the wrecks of their predecessors. Some pilots can get up again just in time and try to make emergency landings on highways.
Of the 28 planned troop transports, seven manage to get away again. The other 21 Junkers landed and crashed are full of motivated Nazi soldiers. They try to get out of the sinking, crashed aircraft, but are shot. The number of survivors of all those German aircraft on Ypenburg is: three. Three Germans.
The first day of this invasion, 10 May, is a black day for the attacker. Berlin and the Luftwaffe have underestimated the opposition. An expensive mistake. And getting the government center on time is now no longer possible. The goals set are not being achieved. In the days that follow the Dutch airmen first hide seaplanes under the green of overhanging trees, and then they fly low - 'HuBoBe', little house-tree-beast - over the treetops and the roofs to the Grebbeberg, where their appearance the attacked Dutchmen gives a shock of joy.
The German paratroopers are scattered and end up in Delft in chaotic street battles, including with armed students and police officers. The Dutch repulsed all German attacks on Delft. The weak soil of the still unfinished airport Valkenburg is demotivating; fifty large Ju 52s are stuck to the stomach in the blubber, under deadly Dutch fire for two hours, before the force majeure of the Germans becomes too great. Those fifty devices have been lost. Twenty Ju 52s are then turned in the air, they fly back to Germany. They simply cannot land on Valkenburg.
bicycles and rusted guns
It is a tough fairy tale about the Netherlands in 1940-1945: that the invasion was a piece of cake for the Germans. Say "May 1940," and even those born long after the war think of a cycling Jan Soldier with a rusty blunderbuss on the back, hurriedly taken out of the 1914-1918 grease. "Another thing: I thought the Dutch army only had bicycles and rusted rifles in 1940," Jan Brokken wrote in 2013, "and certainly not about twin-engined hunters who could turn their double tail trees like wings or perpendicularly out of heaven. fall. "The Air Force! Oh yes, we still had that. What did he actually do from 10 to 14 May 1940? He defended the Netherlands. And by making as many hits as possible with minimal means, shooting German planes, bombing them on the ground, and dismantling bridges. How many devices did they switch off? Hundreds.
Noppen speaks of a "tactical success for Germany, but at high costs, resulting in a strategic failure". During those five May days, the Netherlands temporarily or permanently eliminated 528 Luftwaffe aircraft: the whole of the entire fleet that Berlin had thrown into battle. 328 were completely destroyed (37 combat, 52 bombing, 220 transport and 19 other aircraft). The enormous loss of transport power paralyzed the Luftwaffe for almost a year. This echoed throughout the war. For example, the losses were an important factor in Hitler's decision to leave England for what it was for the time being; the Führer no longer had enough airtransport.
https://www.nd.nl/cultuur/boeken/613...p-10-mei-1940#
It's in dutch, so use google translate
31-01-2020, 04:58 PM
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Re: German, EU Army Off to a Great Start !
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Dutch air pirates caused German defeat on 10 May 1940Was the German invasion in the May days of 1940 a piece of cake? That is a tough fairy tale. The first battle was convincingly won by the Dutch. The Luftwaffe never recovered from the loss of hundreds of devices. An American with Dutch ancestors recently wrote the book about our air force.
In the late night of 10 May 1940 a low noise was heard at 3:50 am above Ypenburg airport. German Heinkel 111s are diving down. Dutch pilots of the 1st Hunting Aircraft Division (JVA) run to the eight Fokker D.XXIs, and take off while the bombs fall. Similarly, shortly thereafter, eleven 8A-3Ns aircraft from the 3rd JVA. These nineteen pilots immediately end up in fierce air combat with a swarm of German aircraft.
Second Lieutenant Van de Vaart shoots a D0 215 reconnaissance device, second Lieutenant Droste a Junker Ju 88 bombing device and Sergeant Aarts a Bf 110C. The force majeure is far too great - but still! Sixteen Dutch planes are, temporarily or definitively, out of combat. Immediately afterwards, two companies of paratroopers descend on the Delft-Ypenburg motorway. They must secure the airport. There is little room in their schedule. Because in no time the airborne troops will have to go to The Hague like crazy to capture the Dutch government, the military top and the entire royal family.
German attack failed
The Berlin plan failed completely. Junker 52s whirl to the ground in swirling flames, hit by Dutch defenses. The para survivors do not reach the airport on time. Their confusion is growing due to the highly effective deployment of eight Swedish Landverk armored vehicles with forward and reverse steering. Handy on the narrow roads. The first airborne troops arrive at 6.15 am, unsuspectingly. The first eight Junker 52s go down, the other five break to pieces at the landing or then go to pieces. Three more waves of Junkers follow. They undergo the same fate, or crash, landing, in the wrecks of their predecessors. Some pilots can get up again just in time and try to make emergency landings on highways.
Of the 28 planned troop transports, seven manage to get away again. The other 21 Junkers landed and crashed are full of motivated Nazi soldiers. They try to get out of the sinking, crashed aircraft, but are shot. The number of survivors of all those German aircraft on Ypenburg is: three. Three Germans.
The first day of this invasion, 10 May, is a black day for the attacker. Berlin and the Luftwaffe have underestimated the opposition. An expensive mistake. And getting the government center on time is now no longer possible. The goals set are not being achieved. In the days that follow the Dutch airmen first hide seaplanes under the green of overhanging trees, and then they fly low - 'HuBoBe', little house-tree-beast - over the treetops and the roofs to the Grebbeberg, where their appearance the attacked Dutchmen gives a shock of joy.
The German paratroopers are scattered and end up in Delft in chaotic street battles, including with armed students and police officers. The Dutch repulsed all German attacks on Delft. The weak soil of the still unfinished airport Valkenburg is demotivating; fifty large Ju 52s are stuck to the stomach in the blubber, under deadly Dutch fire for two hours, before the force majeure of the Germans becomes too great. Those fifty devices have been lost. Twenty Ju 52s are then turned in the air, they fly back to Germany. They simply cannot land on Valkenburg.
bicycles and rusted guns
It is a tough fairy tale about the Netherlands in 1940-1945: that the invasion was a piece of cake for the Germans. Say "May 1940," and even those born long after the war think of a cycling Jan Soldier with a rusty blunderbuss on the back, hurriedly taken out of the 1914-1918 grease. "Another thing: I thought the Dutch army only had bicycles and rusted rifles in 1940," Jan Brokken wrote in 2013, "and certainly not about twin-engined hunters who could turn their double tail trees like wings or perpendicularly out of heaven. fall. "The Air Force! Oh yes, we still had that. What did he actually do from 10 to 14 May 1940? He defended the Netherlands. And by making as many hits as possible with minimal means, shooting German planes, bombing them on the ground, and dismantling bridges. How many devices did they switch off? Hundreds.
Noppen speaks of a "tactical success for Germany, but at high costs, resulting in a strategic failure". During those five May days, the Netherlands temporarily or permanently eliminated 528 Luftwaffe aircraft: the whole of the entire fleet that Berlin had thrown into battle. 328 were completely destroyed (37 combat, 52 bombing, 220 transport and 19 other aircraft). The enormous loss of transport power paralyzed the Luftwaffe for almost a year. This echoed throughout the war. For example, the losses were an important factor in Hitler's decision to leave England for what it was for the time being; the Führer no longer had enough airtransport.
https://www.nd.nl/cultuur/boeken/613...p-10-mei-1940#
It's in dutch, so use google translate
And look at you now.
Ruled by Germany and funding their army.
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