07-02-2011, 08:34 AM
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Human Rights!!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12338931Should we withdraw from the ECHR.
Every country has it's own culture and what is right for one is wrong for another.
I think we should withdraw until every country in the European Union starts to treat animals with the same rights as a human.
07-02-2011, 10:43 AM
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The ECHR was never meant to be what is has become, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.What we actually need instead is an ECCS (European Court of Common Sense), manned by ordinary citizens that are called upon for short periods, a little like jury service. This court would be supreme over all other courts and no European Directive (or court case arising from one) would be allowed to proceed without the rubber stamp of the all powerful ECCS.
What say you?
07-02-2011, 01:08 PM
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I voted No the first time round. Did they listen? Did they `eck.Yes I think we should resign. Now.
It hasn`t worked, lads... you`ve given it a good go but it hasn`t turned out quite how you imagined, has it.
It`s not an economic community, bringing nations together - it`s rich pickings for all the vested interests and self-serving politicians with very little accountability and even less open-ness.
07-02-2011, 01:14 PM
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Every Country indeed has it's own culture, and that makes it unique. You can't just bundle them all up together and come up with laws to suit the larger members. What's right in some Countries is wrong in others, I don't know the solution but I'm sure they can put their heads together and come up with something fair for all members, after all that's why we pay them such huge salaries.
07-02-2011, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by plantman
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The ECHR was never meant to be what is has become, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What we actually need instead is an ECCS (European Court of Common Sense), manned by ordinary citizens that are called upon for short periods, a little like jury service. This court would be supreme over all other courts and no European Directive (or court case arising from one) would be allowed to proceed without the rubber stamp of the all powerful ECCS.
What say you?
07-02-2011, 10:09 PM
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No I don't think we should withdraw or cut ties. If it was left to the tories human rights would be a low priority - they'd look after themselves (as they pretty much always do) and big business would rule. So definitely, a big fat no!Also, I think we need to find an alternative saying for 'common sense' - back in the day common sense generally did mean good rational thought, but unfortunately things that are 'common' including 'sense' these days not always is.
Just to give a quick example, I think recent polls show that a THIRD of America thinks the Earth is less than 10,000 years old
now while that may be a common belief aka 'commen sense' to most people, it is plain wrong.Therefore I prefer to refer to things as logical and rational, when where in the past I might have said 'common sense'.
08-02-2011, 08:09 AM
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Why should humans have any 'Rights'?Is there a law of Gods which says all humans have a right to a decent life, animals can fend for themselves?
The only right humans have IMO is to die.
The momment we are born we start to die, for some it is a long process for others it isnt so where is the right to live a long life?
A human expects to have the right protest and some do it violently,
A human expects to have the right be treated equal but some dominate others, no, humans have the right to expect everything they get and put up with, they have the right to change that if they so want to but many are to lazy and expect others to do it for them.
08-02-2011, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by claireandaisy
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I voted No the first time round. Did they listen? Did they `eck. Yes I think we should resign. Now.
It hasn`t worked, lads... you`ve given it a good go but it hasn`t turned out quite how you imagined, has it.
It`s not an economic community, bringing nations together - it`s rich pickings for all the vested interests and self-serving politicians with very little accountability and even less open-ness.
Incidentally, the European Convention on Human Rights, was incorporated into 'our' domestic legislation in 1999 with the Human Rights Act.
I too voted 'NO' to the 'Common Market' when we held a referendum on the matter some 40 odd years ago. I also remember when our currency went 'decimal' - what a 'con' that was - overnight retailers made fortunes at 'our' expense.
08-02-2011, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Azz
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No I don't think we should withdraw or cut ties. If it was left to the tories human rights would be a low priority - they'd look after themselves (as they pretty much always do) and big business would rule. So definitely, a big fat no!Also, I think we need to find an alternative saying for 'common sense' - back in the day common sense generally did mean good rational thought, but unfortunately things that are 'common' including 'sense' these days not always is.
Just to give a quick example, I think recent polls show that a THIRD of America thinks the Earth is less than 10,000 years old
now while that may be a common belief aka 'commen sense' to most people, it is plain wrong.Therefore I prefer to refer to things as logical and rational, when where in the past I might have said 'common sense'.
I would also question your second paragraph. Common sense is nothing to do with common belief. Your example is ridiculous. There is very often little rationality in belief.
08-02-2011, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Azz
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No I don't think we should withdraw or cut ties. If it was left to the tories human rights would be a low priority - they'd look after themselves (as they pretty much always do) and big business would rule. So definitely, a big fat no!Also, I think we need to find an alternative saying for 'common sense' - back in the day common sense generally did mean good rational thought, but unfortunately things that are 'common' including 'sense' these days not always is.
Just to give a quick example, I think recent polls show that a THIRD of America thinks the Earth is less than 10,000 years old
now while that may be a common belief aka 'commen sense' to most people, it is plain wrong.Therefore I prefer to refer to things as logical and rational, when where in the past I might have said 'common sense'.
Sorry think you miss the point completely.
The English sense of Justice AKA trial by jury of your peers.
Euro sense of justice the Napoleonic code trial by Judges.
Nothing to do with Con Lab divisions.
Way bring America into it?
Are system of Justice over the hundreds of years it has evolved was based on common sense and fought for, the HRA is not, there seems to be no leeway in the act and no right of the common man(juries) to reach a fair verdict on an individual basis.
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