08-02-2011, 10:32 AM
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Re: Human Rights!!!!
Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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Sorry to disabuse you, but the ECHR has NOTHING to do with the European Community, it is a totally separate court. .
The UK Govt. is committed in many ways to the European beaurocracy, by many tendrils and agreements.
The real issue is the one of Independence, IMO. Which successive Governments have sold.
08-02-2011, 11:00 AM
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Re: Human Rights!!!!
Originally Posted by claireandaisy
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If you don`t believe they are linked I think you must be refreshingly um.. innocent. The UK Govt. is committed in many ways to the European beaurocracy, by many tendrils and agreements.
The real issue is the one of Independence, IMO. Which successive Governments have sold.
08-02-2011, 02:02 PM
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Re: Human Rights!!!!
Originally Posted by plantman
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So can you tell me what is logical or rational about your first paragraph?
Btw I am talking about the controlling party members not the supporters/voters.
08-02-2011, 04:24 PM
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Re: Human Rights!!!!
Originally Posted by Uncle Joe
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You're STILL wrong, the ECHR was established immediately post-war and existed long before the Common Market was even thought of. It has its own bureacracy which again is NOT connected in any way to the bureaucracy of 'Brussels'. The ECHR Court is in Strasbourg.
The UK Govt has formulated policy.
These policies have allowed European Quangos control over UK life.
These quangos are linked by vested interests.
I never mentioned Brussels. You did.
AND DON`T SHOUT
IT`S RUDE
Shouting is totally the wrong way to get me to shut up.
08-02-2011, 04:41 PM
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Re: Human Rights!!!!
Emphasis is not shouting, I have some knowledge about our and European court systems, because I was a founder member of a neighbourhood law centre and very nearly took a case to ECHR. My clients at the time were the ones that backed out - otherwise I may well have done so.
08-02-2011, 05:21 PM
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Re: Human Rights!!!!
It seems fair game generally these days to demonise anyone who backs the conservatives, with "tory" becoming a dirty word. No evidence for any accusation is necessary as long as you add the word "tory" to the sentence. A bit like saying "witch" in the middle ages.
And what of the alternative for which you are so obviously proud, who spent the last 13 years trying to buy votes with our money and calling it caring. What tosh. I used to say that a socialist was just a capitalist with no money or ideas. That has changed now to socialism being the best way to earn an easy living from the masses who blindingly, unthinkingly, idolise the socialist heirarchy as their saviours. Ironically, they left more people in poverty after 13 years in power than there were in 1997. And you consider that socialists care more about the populace more than the tories? They can care nothing for anyone if they can leave them in virtual penury as they left Britain.
Instead of just calling the tories, socialists should hang their heads in shame for where they have taken us.
08-02-2011, 06:37 PM
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Re: Human Rights!!!!
Originally Posted by plantman
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No good enough Azz, who's past actions and when? let's name some names. Where is your proof that tories put human rights low on their list of priorities? This comment is just another slur against a huge part of the electorate by someone blindlingly following a failed ideology. It seems fair game generally these days to demonise anyone who backs the conservatives, with "tory" becoming a dirty word. No evidence for any accusation is necessary as long as you add the word "tory" to the sentence. A bit like saying "witch" in the middle ages.
And what of the alternative for which you are so obviously proud, who spent the last 13 years trying to buy votes with our money and calling it caring. What tosh. I used to say that a socialist was just a capitalist with no money or ideas. That has changed now to socialism being the best way to earn an easy living from the masses who blindingly, unthinkingly, idolise the socialist heirarchy as their saviours. Ironically, they left more people in poverty after 13 years in power than there were in 1997. And you consider that socialists care more about the populace more than the tories? They can care nothing for anyone if they can leave them in virtual penury as they left Britain.
Instead of just calling the tories, socialists should hang their heads in shame for where they have taken us.
And I'm no Labour fan either - I recognise they have their faults, but also regonise they did a lot of good while they were in power, we progressed as a nation on a social and so many other levels. They did bad too - dragging us into war was the worst mistake they made. They're not perfect but on the whole I would prefer them to a tory government - and I just need to look around me to see why, Wales is getting hit hard by the cut-backs - closing our passport office for one! There are 7 or 8 of them, one in Scotland, one in Wales and the rest in England! Seems really fair to shut the one in Wales doesn't it! Especially when Wales needs jobs possible more desperately! Total load of tosh saying it would save the most money!!
Anyway we've gone way off topic
I actually think Cameron is ok - he's a lot more liberal/decent than most of that lot! *runs
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