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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
DELIBERATELY attacking civilians which was first done by the British following an accidental off target bombing by a SINGLE German aircraft.
Did we know at the time that it was an accident?

I don't think the Dresden firebombings began until after Hitler began regular bombing of London.
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Unlike the atom bombing of Japanese civilians eh baker man??
Just saying ??
Let's just say they bloody deserved it !!

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Please, I meant no fault of British or American air forces in the bombing of Dresden. I only meant to say that SOME might think that bombing Dresden was a war crime because Dresden had no military value. Make no mistake about it, Germany deserved what she got after she had caused the death of 50,000,000 people.
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Speaking as an American, I don't know that I'd say, "The American's won". It is true, however, that the awesome industrial might of America, served to fortify Britain and enable her to win her 1st great victory in North Africa. Specifically, in Egypt/Libya. And, finally, with American help, complete victory in Tunisia and all of North Africa
Yes it's true America saved our bacon by supplying us with arms
etc bakerman, we were woefully un prepared for war early on!
If Hitler had invaded in the first year he would have over run UK
in 3 weeks?? The large British fleet he was scared of was mostly
old outdated and out classed but Hitler didn't know that ! The ships
and crews were not equipped to handle air attacks !!
I think the irony of WW2 Was that all the aid we received had to be
paid back after the war, whereas Germany was rebuilt by the allies !!
Work that one out ??

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08-04-2021, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Yes it's true America saved our bacon by supplying us with arms
etc bakerman, we were woefully un prepared for war early on!
If Hitler had invaded in the first year he would have over run UK
in 3 weeks?? The large British fleet he was scared of was mostly
old outdated and out classed but Hitler didn't know that ! The ships
and crews were not equipped to handle air attacks !!
I think the irony of WW2 Was that all the aid we received had to be
paid back after the war, whereas Germany was rebuilt by the allies !!

Work that one out ??

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Yes, indeed, that was ironic. I must admit I am woefully unversed in why this came about.
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Please, I meant no fault of British or American air forces in the bombing of Dresden. I only meant to say that SOME might think that bombing Dresden was a war crime because Dresden had no military value. Make no mistake about it, Germany deserved what she got after she had caused the death of 50,000,000 people.
No l didn't take it that way at all BM 🤗🤗

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Re: World War II

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Yes it's true America saved our bacon by supplying us with arms
etc bakerman, we were woefully un prepared for war early on!
If Hitler had invaded in the first year he would have over run UK
in 3 weeks?? The large British fleet he was scared of was mostly
old outdated and out classed but Hitler didn't know that ! The ships
and crews were not equipped to handle air attacks !!
I think the irony of WW2 Was that all the aid we received had to be
paid back after the war, whereas Germany was rebuilt by the allies !!
Work that one out ??

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Don't play down the role of the American fighting forces. Without the blood spilled by the Septics all the hardware would have been of little use.

As for rebuilding Germany, that made very good sense. First class low cost workforce who would WORK (unlike the Brits) and turn out very high quality goods. Additionally it would do away with punishing Germany as per Treaty of Versailles which had led to the understandable emergence of the German Reich.
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Yes, indeed, that was ironic. I must admit I am woefully unversed in why this came about.
I think it was due to America's, ( justified imo) fear of communism
Bakerman ??
Remember Macaurthyism ??
It's been nice chatting to you BM, I'm going to bed now, good luck !!

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Let us not forget that the Russians also played a major part in the defeat of Nazi Germany.
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Re: World War II

Originally Posted by bakerman ->
Please, I meant no fault of British or American air forces in the bombing of Dresden. I only meant to say that SOME might think that bombing Dresden was a war crime because Dresden had no military value. Make no mistake about it, Germany deserved what she got after she had caused the death of 50,000,000 people.
In 1992, a statue of Sir Arthur Harris aka "Bomber Harris" was unveiled in London by Queen Elisabeth. The "SOME" I refer to in the above, jeered and shocked the Queen, by shouting "Harris was a war criminal". In fact, the statue had to be guarded for many months due to constant vandal attacks on it. Harris remains a controversial figure to this day.
i don't know for certain, but i suspect that those who jeered the Queen at the unveiling of Harris's statue were the young and uneducated people who had no 1st hand experience being "BLITZED".
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Originally Posted by The Artful Todger ->
Don't play down the role of the American fighting forces. Without the blood spilled by the Septics all the hardware would have been of little use.
Where have l played down the American forces aTodgy ??
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