29-03-2020, 02:56 PM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by Tregonsee
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Yes reward the feckless, dishonest or sly.
29-03-2020, 05:48 PM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Yes, it's your money and so you should use it to provide for yourself. Only when you no longer can should you've a penny of state organised charity.
Chances are I wouldn't claim anything (I never have) but firstly, peoples property and wealth is their own as is their choices.
29-03-2020, 06:00 PM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by Bread
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Nobody else does, they spend theirs. It's not state organised charity either it's a system we all pay into according to our earnings. So it's only fair that the system works for everyone not just people that don't save Chances are I wouldn't claim anything (I never have) but firstly, peoples property and wealth is their own as is their choices.
We are obliged to donate to it by law but it is is then given to people that the State views as being in need (what a laugh that is in most cases) which means that is is charity. What a farce.
30-03-2020, 10:09 AM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Fine, but when they have needs they should use their own resources before getting any state organised charity - for that is precisely what it is.We are obliged to donate to it by law but it is is then given to people that the State views as being in need (what a laugh that is in most cases) which means that is is charity. What a farce.
given freely with a good heart, tax is enforced by law!
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔🤔
30-03-2020, 10:28 AM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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There is a difference between charity and tax Todgy, charity isgiven freely with a good heart, tax is enforced by law!
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30-03-2020, 10:45 AM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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No, just pay for your needs while you are able to.
Just to be clear. Hypothetical situation.
You and I have similar incomes.
I spend all of my money.
You save some of yours.
We both lose our jobs.
I get benefits immediately.
You have to spend your savings before getting any benefits.
And you would be happy with that?
30-03-2020, 01:44 PM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by Tregonsee
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Just to be clear. Hypothetical situation.You and I have similar incomes.
I spend all of my money.
You save some of yours.
We both lose our jobs.
I get benefits immediately.
You have to spend your savings before getting any benefits.
And you would be happy with that?
Apart from anything else it would not leave me feeling that I was behoove to anyone.
30-03-2020, 01:45 PM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by Donkeyman
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There is a difference between charity and tax Todgy, charity isgiven freely with a good heart, tax is enforced by law!
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔🤔
30-03-2020, 01:55 PM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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But when part of that tax is used as a "Benefit" it becomes a legally enforced charity.
The minute you force people to pay it ceases to be charity, a concept
that you seem to have a problem with comprehending??
Donkeyman! 🤔🤔🤔
30-03-2020, 02:00 PM
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Re: Help for Self Employed
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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But when part of that tax is used as a "Benefit" it becomes a legally enforced charity.
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