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01-12-2018, 09:57 AM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

Originally Posted by itsme ->
EU immigration HAS NOT depressed wages!!!! When are you going to recognise this FACT???

And how many programs have you watched where some British workers can't be arsed to turn up for the work, and when they are there their work ethic is such that they just hang around like spare p----- at a wedding.

I have personally tried to get some work done in the house and am now on my 7th company who can't be bothered either to turn up or phone back!!!!

Looking now for a company that only employs only Polish, Rumanian, or any other immigrant employees.
As you are so fond of quoting..

How about a source of your accusations regarding British workers so we may judge for ourselves???

Also, that's a rather a racist comment to make regarding not wanting to deal with any company that employs British workers, regardless of how many times you have been let down by the companies themselves. What on earth has that to do with British workers? or are you just hoping for a reaction by making such a statement?
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01-12-2018, 10:23 AM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

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Hi

Macron has issued us a blunt warning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46336962

So what?

The clever thing to do is to sign it and then play silly idiots strictly in accordance with the rules.

We are allowed checks and phytosanitary checks on all imports even under a Free Trade Deal.

We simply target those checks on the French, naff all he can do about it and it will ruin his economy.

We check every single french fishing vessel in our waters, even one wrong or undersized fish and we seize the vessel.

We check every single container of French Food entering the UK to ensure that it complies with every single requirement.

I could be a complete arse when it comes to things like this and so can all Enforcement Officers.

It is all perfectly legal as well.

It is time we stood up for ourselves and used the rules as well as France does.

The 'Clever' thing is to sign it you say, then ask Enforcement offivers to act like a complete arse when checking containers!!

That sounds like the 'stupid' plan of an Establishment crony.

The Clever plan is to vote down May's proposal and either go back to the negotiating table or leave with no deal and £39 billion pounds still in the bank ad our fishing grounds intact!!!
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01-12-2018, 10:34 AM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

Originally Posted by itsme ->
EU immigration HAS NOT depressed wages!!!! When are you going to recognise this FACT???

And how many programs have you watched where some British workers can't be arsed to turn up for the work, and when they are there their work ethic is such that they just hang around like spare p----- at a wedding.

I have personally tried to get some work done in the house and am now on my 7th company who can't be bothered either to turn up or phone back!!!!

Looking now for a company that only employs only Polish, Rumanian, or any other immigrant employees.
You are wrong and you have your head firmly up your butt.

I have never seen a programme where British workers cant be bothered to work but I have seen programmes where employers exploit the availability of foreign workers by undercutting the pay of British workers making the jobs on offer economically unattractive for British workers as their overheads are higher .

I have also seen home improvements carried out by foreign workers and the standard of work is terrible.......

Why anyone would consider employing a foreign builder with no qualifications, no understanding of UK H&S standards or requirements and who scams the country out of tax and NI contributions and who are often wholly ignorant of UK planning requirements or building regs is beyond me.
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01-12-2018, 11:20 AM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

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We don't need cheap workers we have enough people like me to do them, we need well trained specialising people. Why not an Indian only difference is colour.
I'd counter that with why not a Pole as Solasch suggested? It's all immigration.
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01-12-2018, 11:40 AM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

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You are wrong and you have your head firmly up your butt.

I have never seen a programme where British workers cant be bothered to work but I have seen programmes where employers exploit the availability of foreign workers by undercutting the pay of British workers making the jobs on offer economically unattractive for British workers as their overheads are higher .

I have also seen home improvements carried out by foreign workers and the standard of work is terrible.......

Why anyone would consider employing a foreign builder with no qualifications, no understanding of UK H&S standards or requirements and who scams the country out of tax and NI contributions and who are often wholly ignorant of UK planning requirements or building regs is beyond me.
There have been programmes about young Brits not wanting factory jobs, or as is more often the case, taking jobs and then either leaving after a few months if not less, or not taking the job seriously, not getting in on time etc. Even my hairdresser has said she doesn't get many responses to adverts and cannot find young people who want to do the job without a string of conditions. They don't want to work weekends, they don't want to do any unsocial hours etc. Then when they get into the job they want to be wrapped in cotton wool and are delicate flowers. Most of her staff were not born here.

I've had home improvements by foreign workers and Brits born here and they can be equally shoddy or equally good. There are just as many British building companies flouting rules etc as is shown in that cowboy builders show. It's not easy to find a decent builder and most people can't afford an arm and a leg. Paying more doesn't mean you get a better outcome. For example a friend had a leak on a downstairs wall. She called some builders and the located the fault to her upstairs bath. They wanted to remove the entire bath and fix the leak that way (costing a packet). She found a second opinion and they just said they could fix it for a fraction of the price by chasing the pipes in the wall between floors. They were both British companies.

You don't need a knowledge of building regs to set up a house renovation company. Anyone can do it. The fact is that when people have work done they would rather have shoddy work done cheaply than shoddy work at rip off rates.
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01-12-2018, 11:58 AM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

Originally Posted by Moscow ->
The 'Clever' thing is to sign it you say, then ask Enforcement offivers to act like a complete arse when checking containers!!

That sounds like the 'stupid' plan of an Establishment crony.

The Clever plan is to vote down May's proposal and either go back to the negotiating table or leave with no deal and £39 billion pounds still in the bank ad our fishing grounds intact!!!
Hi

Voting it down means No Deal.

We have set the Timetable, we leave in March next year.

We have set our Red Lines, we have ruled out the Norway and Swiss Deals.

The EU have said fine, your choice.

No Deal means not only losing the Trade Deals with the EU, but with every other Country we have Trade Deals with as part of the EU.

We would be the only one of the Top 20 Economies in the World to go down this route.

It is not have you have said in a previous post a simple matter of filling in a few forms.

One local business exports an average of 72 Containers a day to the EU, foodstuffs.

It costs them naff all to do so.

No Deal means a Hygiene Certificate for each one, £70 a time.

This wipes out their profits for the year, they will close it, they will not work for nothing.

I have a Business registered at my house, the Polish Lads.

Much smaller, but still £40k a year in Tax to our Economy.

VAT and profits.

They export used car spares, fill it up and off they go.

No paperwork.

They will after No Deal have to give paperwork for Rules of Origin, simply not worth their while, they will close it.

I will not lose a penny from No Deal, in fact I will make a mint, I have my Certificates to sign for Export.

I am however totally against it because of the damage it will do.
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01-12-2018, 12:24 PM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
I'd counter that with why not a Pole as Solasch suggested? It's all immigration.
I want an equal system that doesn't make white faces any more likely to get a chance than a black one any system that prefers one to the other is racist.
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01-12-2018, 12:29 PM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

Originally Posted by AnnieS ->
There have been programmes about young Brits not wanting factory jobs, or as is more often the case, taking jobs and then either leaving after a few months if not less, or not taking the job seriously, not getting in on time etc. Even my hairdresser has said she doesn't get many responses to adverts and cannot find young people who want to do the job without a string of conditions. They don't want to work weekends, they don't want to do any unsocial hours etc. Then when they get into the job they want to be wrapped in cotton wool and are delicate flowers. Most of her staff were not born here.

I've had home improvements by foreign workers and Brits born here and they can be equally shoddy or equally good. There are just as many British building companies flouting rules etc as is shown in that cowboy builders show. It's not easy to find a decent builder and most people can't afford an arm and a leg. Paying more doesn't mean you get a better outcome. For example a friend had a leak on a downstairs wall. She called some builders and the located the fault to her upstairs bath. They wanted to remove the entire bath and fix the leak that way (costing a packet). She found a second opinion and they just said they could fix it for a fraction of the price by chasing the pipes in the wall between floors. They were both British companies.

You don't need a knowledge of building regs to set up a house renovation company. Anyone can do it. The fact is that when people have work done they would rather have shoddy work done cheaply than shoddy work at rip off rates.
No I wouldn't AnnieS! If I am going to pay out a single penny for work to be done, I do my homework first by checking out previous work done by them (thoroughly checked out and not just made up!). I also check to ensure they are members of a trade organisation (which any reputable company would be), and I also check whether there have been any complaints against that company regarding shoddy or incomplete works carried out. If they are a Limited Company I check them out to see they are registered with Companys House, and I also do a free credit check on them to see that they are not in financial difficulties or have CCJ's against them. (I for one would not want to be handing over money just to see them disappear!)

Then and only then is when I decide which is the best firm to carry out any work required. No way would I, and I'm sure many others, want ANY firm carrying out shoddy work!!
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01-12-2018, 12:33 PM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

When people say we are wanting time off etc I am reminded why we have employment rules. Some employers want slaves that never have a day off not human beings with dignity who need holidays etc.

In my experience the best mangers get the best out of everyone the bad ones moan about the staff not being good enough.
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01-12-2018, 02:28 PM
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Re: Macron and Fisheries

Nothing to do with Macron & Fishing but, some of the comments about the ability to get a tradesman, to come and work at your house, made me smile.

Round here (Berkshire) there is so much building going on, with new "affordable housing" (starting at £450K) that all of these Building Trade people are up to their eyeballs in work.

It takes longer to get a plumber in than it does to get a Doctor's appointment.

Why would any of them (including foreigners) want to do a one off job at my abode.

They're all driving expensive German Cars nowadays!

There seems to be new estates going up in every open space!
 
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