25-09-2019, 09:49 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Besoeker
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The cabinet makes the rules. The whip makes party members toe the line regardless of their views far less those of the electorate.
25-09-2019, 09:52 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by globeflower
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If that was true, how come 118 Tory MPs voted against Mrs May's Brexit deal? It looks like the whips are about as threatening as a three-legged hamster.
Because it was shit
25-09-2019, 10:51 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
This is one for Solasch.How much do you pay for compulsory basic health insurance ? Not including dental, physios etc. and the same even if unemployed ?
How many hospitals have shut down and are families asked to look after their parents due to no care being available ?
How many food banks do you have ?
Will Holland have to double their payments to EU once UK leave ?
25-09-2019, 10:52 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Bread
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Because it was shit
25-09-2019, 11:11 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by globeflower
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That proves my point then. MPs ignored the whips, and voted according to their own views, and/or those of (at least some of) the electorate, many of whom also seem to think May's deal was ordure.
Donkeyman!
25-09-2019, 11:34 PM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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This is one for Solasch. How much do you pay for compulsory basic health insurance ? Not including dental, physios etc. and the same even if unemployed ?
How many hospitals have shut down and are families asked to look after their parents due to no care being available ?
How many food banks do you have ?
Will Holland have to double their payments to EU once UK leave ?
Unknown officially, but increasing due to facilities closed.
Food banks 168 on approx 400 municipalities
No, if divided evenly over the remaining 27 members, we would have to pay 400 mln on top of the present 5 bn. So an 10% increase.
26-09-2019, 12:15 AM
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Re: Death Of Democracy
Originally Posted by Solasch
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The monthly fee is about € 100 (approx. 89 £). Depending on income you get reimbursed up to €85 (£73). If unemployed it is £ 16/monthUnknown officially, but increasing due to facilities closed.
Food banks 168 on approx 400 municipalities
No, if divided evenly over the remaining 27 members, we would have to pay 400 mln on top of the present 5 bn. So an 10% increase.
Food banks have 85,000 people use them at last count and rising
Two hospitals closed last year due to bankruptcy.
So really,
Holland faces the same issues as UK, although on a smaller scale, as your population is only 17 million, compared to UK's 67 million (which seems to be going up at an incredible rate.)
In fact ,so many countries are all bound by the same rules and agendas now, I wonder where the origin of the changes filter through from.. ? Well we do know, and that is why we UK don't want to be the same as everyone else, or virtually bankrupt like Greece, Spain and Italy , and I'm sure you can understand why.
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