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19-10-2019, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by globeflower ->
I don't doubt most leave-voting constituencies will continue to vote in favour of leaving, though whether that will be for Boris's version of leaving, or Nicotine Nigel's, remains to be seen. But the reality is it will probably be both. Like I said, another hung parliament awaits.
The so-called silent majority were so keen on brexit last time round they couldn't even be bothered to plod down to the polling station and vote for UKIP, so don't hold your breath.

Labour and the tories stood on leave manifestos
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19-10-2019, 09:34 PM
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The only thing that is clear from today's events is that the country remains heavily divided.

Certainly our representatives in the Commons are split on whether they want to leave the EU or remain; the majority apparently in favour of the latter. We must add to that the judiciary and, of course, the Speaker.

Boris is now forced to write to the EU to ask for an extension. In a way, a good thing as it will leave us in limbo until a general election is called.

At that time, the decision as to whether to leave the EU or remain will lie with the people assuming, of course, that vote rigging by the Labour Party is not allowed to continue.

Even then, I'm not sure what will happen.

If Boris were still to be trusted, and let us remember that he has tried against much opposition from both the Left and the traitors, he could still gain sufficient numbers of votes to form the next government.

However, this cannot be relied upon and it is essential that the Conservatives and the Brexit Party form an alliance of some sort.
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20-10-2019, 10:04 AM
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I think that the key, now, is the next election.

Sadly, in this great democratic country, such an election will be held off for years to come.

By doing so, the wreckers will hope that Boris loses his stripes, that the Brexiteers will have become too bored, that the students will all rush in with Remain votes , and (don't laugh) the EU will have adjusted to be more democratic.

Don't hold your breath!
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20-10-2019, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Tedc ->
I think that the key, now, is the next election.

Sadly, in this great democratic country, such an election will be held off for years to come.

By doing so, the wreckers will hope that Boris loses his stripes, that the Brexiteers will have become too bored, that the students will all rush in with Remain votes , and (don't laugh) the EU will have adjusted to be more democratic.

Don't hold your breath!
Fortunately, it is a legal requirement that a general election is held in 2022, though it could be sooner.

Of course, I'm forgetting the biased Supreme Court who seem to call all the shots these days and who could conceivably put off a GE until they feel like it!
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20-10-2019, 10:20 AM
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Fortunately, it is a legal requirement that a general election is held in 2022, though it could be sooner.

Of course, I'm forgetting the biased Supreme Court who seem to call all the shots these days and who could conceivably put off a GE until they feel like it!
If we wanted to appeal against such a Supreme Court judgement, would we have to go to the EU Supreme Court to do it?
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20-10-2019, 10:21 AM
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If we wanted to appeal against such a Supreme Court judgement, would we have to go to the EU Supreme Court to do it?
Why not? They seem to be our lords and masters now.
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20-10-2019, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by globeflower ->
I don't doubt most leave-voting constituencies will continue to vote in favour of leaving, though whether that will be for Boris's version of leaving, or Nicotine Nigel's, remains to be seen. But the reality is it will probably be both. Like I said, another hung parliament awaits.
The so-called silent majority were so keen on brexit last time round they couldn't even be bothered to plod down to the polling station and vote for UKIP, so don't hold your breath.
Since the referendum we have not had the chance to pin our allegiance to any political party in a GE globeflower, but when we do I feel there will be a few surprises.
South Yorkshire is a strong labour held constituency, and has been since the beginning of time. They would never vote for a conservative government round here, but there is a lot of support for Nigel and the Brexit party, and if the right candidate was to stand I believe they would give labour a good run for their money...
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20-10-2019, 11:13 AM
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Just been reading from someone in the know that yesterdays farce may have been part of an elaborate plot....

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...601519104.html
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20-10-2019, 11:20 AM
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More theories about yesterdays events in Parliament being a wrecking plot ....

The Benn Act provided for two situations, both designed to prevent a no-deal exit on 31 October. The PM essentially must either get Parliament's approval for a deal he has agreed with the EU (section 1(1)) or for a no-deal Brexit (section 1(2)).
If neither of these situations were to materialise by 19 October (section 1(3)), the PM must send a letter requesting an extension to Article 50 (section 1(4)).


The Act at first blush clearly does not block Brexit on 31 October, as it allows the PM to negotiate a deal and get it approved by Parliament before 19 October, at which point he is released of the section 1(4) obligation to request an extension.

But after the Letwin amendment passed today, leading the Govt to drop its motion for the now-meaningless meaningful vote and forcing the PM to request the extension tonight, it surely cannot be that P'ment intended to allow Brexit to happen, even with a deal, by 31 October.

Because if that were the case, why would Parliament, knowing full well the European Council summit would only finish on 17 Oct, set a deadline of 19 Oct to approve the PM's deal, only to then vote to postpone that approval as it hasn’t been given enough time to look at it?
For a Parliament so determined to enact such a precise law that there was no possible loophole, the 19 Oct deadline surely shows a conscious contemplation by MPs that this date provided enough time for P'ment to examine it sufficiently, approve it + legislate for it by 31 Oct

Despite the deal coming so late, an earlier deadline couldnt possibly be set: the EU summit only ended on 17 Oct. MPs knew setting the deadline on 17 Oct/earlier would be too restrictive on PM. A later deadline would leave things too late. 19 Oct was the only realistic choice

The necessary implication of enacting a deadline of 19 Oct must be that MPs, back in Sept, must have known they didn’t have enough time to examine + approve the deal. The idea the Benn Act could possibly allow Govt to get a deal through P'ment by 31 Oct was a farce all along.

The *real* motive behind the Act was for neither situations it provided for to be achieved. P'ment did not want Brexit to happen, even with a deal, by 31 Oct, despite the Act immediately being defended (against attacks from Brexiteers) as not necessarily delaying Brexit.
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20-10-2019, 11:38 AM
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Re: Here Comes Boris' Deal

Originally Posted by Meg ->
Just been reading from someone in the know that yesterdays farce may have been part of an elaborate plot....

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...601519104.html
Points 10 and 11 are about the political declaration, which is not legally binding. Boris would not have been hampered by that.
So this argument fails.
 
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