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13-09-2019, 11:28 AM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

Originally Posted by PuddleDuck
if UK do not send an EU Commissioner, then they have gone against the EU Treaty (one of them) and can be thrown out of the EU.

How about that ?

Originally Posted by Realist ->
You're talking nonsense. The EU is desperate to keep us in the EU so they are not about to expel us are they ?!!!

News Today:

https://news.am/eng/news/533134.html


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The European Parliament (EP) will advocate a postponement of Brexit if this prevents Brexit without a deal or is required to hold elections for the British Parliament, said the President of the European Parliament (EP) David Sassoli.

According to him, the EP is preparing a resolution on Brexit, a draft of which will be presented at a plenary session in Strasbourg, TASS reported.

The resolution will say that the European Parliament is open to a possible postponement if it helps to avoid an exit without an agreement or is needed for holding general elections in the UK, he said."




As I said, the EU is desperate to prevent the UK leaving.
They will do anything and everything to obstruct and prevent it. This includes laging out the entire process indefinitely until the British people can be convinced to change their minds by propaganda media.
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13-09-2019, 02:30 PM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

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As I said, the EU is desperate to prevent the UK leaving.
They will do anything and everything to obstruct and prevent it. This includes laging out the entire process indefinitely until the British people can be convinced to change their minds by propaganda media.
Nope, you simply don't understand it. The EU is desperate about not kicking you out. You need to exit yourself, to have the courage to pick up your things and step out.
Because of the dire consequences of a no deal brexit, the EU under no circumstances wants to be blamed for these effects. If it means having patience with the british still too scared to act, so be it.
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13-09-2019, 02:50 PM
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We could go over and over with cause to pin the badge of blame on the EU for most of what has happened with Brexit over the last 3 years. They got the result they were after all along of making the UK suffer for even wanting to leave in the first place, and as a warning to any other EU country thinking of doing the same. So although the Junta in place in our Parliament share the blame 50/50 with you, so it's pretty pointless you trying to convince the Brits by pretending the EU is acting magnanimously now that the end game is in sight. You'll have to try harder than that!
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13-09-2019, 02:54 PM
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Nope, you simply don't understand it. The EU is desperate about not kicking you out. You need to exit yourself, to have the courage to pick up your things and step out.
Because of the dire consequences of a no deal brexit, the EU under no circumstances wants to be blamed for these effects. If it means having patience with the british still too scared to act, so be it.

You are fooling precisely nobody with this desperate spiel old son.

The EU is opertaing within our government using MPs to do its bidding. That's why we have a bill blocking No Deal, because NO DEAL is THE ONLY WAY we actually get to really leave.

The British public is furious at the spectacle of dictatorship arrogance that has been unfolding and the extent to which our own government has been infested with MPs working for the EU instead of for the British people.

The more it goes on the more people rightly move to a "Leave" position.


The levels of skullduggery being seen are simply disgusting imho and is convincing people that they very urgently need to get clear of the entire EU cesspit.

The coming election will of course bring all of this to teh fore.

This "EU government" will be kicked out on it's backside and replaced with real MPs.

We will repeal this traitorous Benn Bill and the Parliament Act as priorities I'm sure.

Then we will get back on track with Boris and a clean No Deal exit and then watch your snivelling megalomanic EU leaders crawl back to the negotiating table in short measure, desperate to do a deal as their entire empire slips into recession behind Germany and Italy.


And to correct your latter point. YES, the EU WILL BE ENTIRELY TO BLAME for a No Deal exit because it played silly buggers in the negotitations and didn't offer the UK any Withdrawal Deal that actually allowed the UK to leave.

It WILL be their fault, 100% laid at their feet. All of the job losses and recession and austerity that follows in the EU will all be the fault of the EU acting like teenage tantrum bullies to the UK.

Two world wars behind us which you lost and you still don't get the message. We will NOT be ruled by you lot, we will not be slaves.




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13-09-2019, 03:00 PM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
We could go over and over with cause to pin the badge of blame on the EU for most of what has happened with Brexit over the last 3 years. They got the result they were after all along of making the UK suffer for even wanting to leave in the first place, and as a warning to any other EU country thinking of doing the same. So although the Junta in place in our Parliament share the blame 50/50 with you, so it's pretty pointless you trying to convince the Brits by pretending the EU is acting magnanimously now that the end game is in sight. You'll have to try harder than that!
Why should I try? Facts speak for themselve.
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13-09-2019, 03:08 PM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

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You are fooling precisely nobody with this desperate spiel old son.

Two world wars behind us which you lost and you still don't get the message. We will NOT be ruled by you lot, we will not be slaves.

LEST WE FORGET
Slavery*is any system in which principles of property law are applied to people, allowing individuals to own, buy and sell other individuals, as a de jure form of property. A*slave*is unable to withdraw unilaterally from such an arrangement and works without remuneration.

EU's article 50 can be invoked (and revoked!) unilaterally. So don't cowardly hide behind such fake excuses.
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13-09-2019, 03:11 PM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

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Now I mentioned this a while back, but was shot down in flames by Solly. However, as I understand it, if UK do not send an EU Commissioner, then they have gone against the EU Treaty (one of them) and can be thrown out of the EU.
How about that ?
This in the Times today from Ursula von der Leyen


Ursula von der Leyen, who replaces Jean-Claude Juncker as president of the European Commission on November 1, said that naming a Briton to the Brussels EU executive would be legally required if the Brexit deadline were extended again.
oh dear how sad if that is a legal requirement to extending the deadline
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...oner-qst5sshsr
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13-09-2019, 03:16 PM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

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This in the Times today from Ursula von der Leyen


oh dear how sad if that is a legal requirement to extending the deadline
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...oner-qst5sshsr
It is not a requirement for extending, the brits are, as a leaving member, prohibited from voting (article 50(3). It is a legal requirement after the extension is granted. And as the british are well known for abiding the law...
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13-09-2019, 05:42 PM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

Originally Posted by Solasch ->
EU's article 50 can be invoked (and revoked!) unilaterally. So don't cowardly hide behind such fake excuses.
The entire British nation is witnessing that Article 50 and thus anything that is linked to the EU is worth Jack, about as meaningful as toilet paper.

Article 50 allows us to leave with a deal or without a deal.

The EU is not offering any deal that allows us to Leave, that's Breach No 1 of our treaty,

The EU via its operatives in our parliament has now blocked our ability to leave with No Deal, that's Breach No 2 of our treaty.

Any country thinking to join the EU should take very careful note of what the EU actually does rather than the toilet paper agreements they establish with member states.


The EU is Hotel California

You can check out any time you like but you can never leave


The EU can take its treaty, roll it up, bend over and insert where the sun don't shine.
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13-09-2019, 09:58 PM
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Re: We will never leave (Benn's bill)

Originally Posted by Realist ->
The entire British nation is witnessing that Article 50 and thus anything that is linked to the EU is worth Jack, about as meaningful as toilet paper.

Article 50 allows us to leave with a deal or without a deal.
Based on article 50(2) the EU is obliged to negotiate a deal. You don't have to take it.
As the british public is now witnessing, the UK doesn't accept the deal on offer. Instead of just walking away and leaving, they keep nagging about another deal. You're behaving like a little child. Most humiliating.
 
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