22-11-2018, 08:11 PM
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Re: Signs Of The EU Police State
Originally Posted by Puddle Duck
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To be honest, I could see something on the lines, eventually.A continent without borders of ,at the moment 741 million.
How would it be possible for each country to control the masses if an uprising between far left / far right/ religions or different cultures took hold.
Think about it, as it would not be civil war, so not pertaining to one country. How else would it be controlled ? I find the thought particularly scary and perfectly feasible.
We witnessed the Arab Spring in individual countries.. it's talking about a huge and growing continent with the EU
The EU could remain a member of NATO, and would benefit from the support of America (assuming America agreed). The much vaunted European Army could be, in effect, a paramilitary force whose raison d'etre is to keep down any uprising.
22-11-2018, 08:48 PM
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Re: Signs Of The EU Police State
We're surely not still doubting that the EU wants to establish it's "EU Army" are we?EU stooges do their level best to play this down saying, "no no no, there's really no intention of establishing an EU Army"
Meanwhile the legal binding contract which is the LISBON TREATY underwrites what we MUST make our military capabilities available to the EU.
From the Treaty, page 39
"The common security and defence policy shall be an integral part of the common foreign and security policy. It shall provide the Union with an operational capacity drawing on civilian and military assets. The Union may use them on missions outside the Union for peace-keeping, conflict
prevention and strengthening international security in accordance with the principles of the United Nations Charter. The performance of these tasks shall be undertaken using capabilities provided by the Member States"
"3. Member States shall make civilian and military capabilities available to the Union for the implementation of the common security and defence policy, to contribute to the objectives defined by the Council. Those Member States which together establish multinational forces may also
make them available to the common security and defence policy"
"Member States shall undertake progressively to improve their military capabilities. The Agency in the field of defence capabilities development, research, acquisition and armaments (hereinafter referred to as "the European Defence Agency") shall identify operational requirements, shall promote measures to satisfy those requirements, shall contribute to identifying and, where appropriate, implementing any measure needed to strengthen the industrial and technological base of the defence sector, shall
participate in defining a European capabilities and armaments policy, and shall assist the Council in evaluating the improvement of military capabilities."
Anyway you cut it the Lisbon Treaty, to which we have signed up, means we have the obligations outlined above.
This means that we must make our military personnel available to the EU to support whatever military actions is decides it wants to engage in. If it wants to go to war with Russia for example, then we as a member state get dragged into that war.
The Treaty obligations also effectively mean that the UK's nuclear weapons become available to the EU.
Is this where the UK wants to be? I'm not so sure.
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