24-11-2018, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Don't panic mr mainwaring it'll be ok, we always are ok always will be. We are a surviving enduring race who adapt to anything. The deal as it stands I am hoping will be crushed and we will leave with no deal and wto rules. That would be best for us now. No deal being better than a bad deal.
24-11-2018, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Mr. Mainwaring always said something about Pike. Are you perhaps the female equivalent of private Pike?
24-11-2018, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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I'm an individual unlike anyone else solasch, just like I want my country to be once again a real individual doing what we do best, whatever that turns out to be.
Between countries trading with one another, as the EU is, everybody is looking out for number one. Should you ever be trading on wto rules, there is a snake pith where everybody is about doing in everybody else. The EU was formed to protect each other against those practices in world trade.
24-11-2018, 07:26 PM
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Most of us and not talking about just UK I think it's most of the EU countries don't feel very protected. We instead feel like we are overcome, over shadowed, ruled over by the EU. We want to be individuals like we used to be. A simple free trade deal is all we ever really wanted. We've felt tricked by EU and our own governments to get further and further into the EU.Perhaps if it hadn't happened underhandedly we all might be more trusting but it's too late now we have lost that trust.
Some of the economies have done well some haven't but we lost something along the way. A trust and a freedom we felt as individual countries.
Nothing anyone will say can convince us we are better as nations even if we are better off financially within the EU.
25-11-2018, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Most of us and not talking about just UK I think it's most of the EU countries don't feel very protected. We instead feel like we are overcome, over shadowed, ruled over by the EU. We want to be individuals like we used to be. A simple free trade deal is all we ever really wanted. We've felt tricked by EU and our own governments to get further and further into the EU. Perhaps if it hadn't happened underhandedly we all might be more trusting but it's too late now we have lost that trust.
Some of the economies have done well some haven't but we lost something along the way. A trust and a freedom we felt as individual countries.
Nothing anyone will say can convince us we are better as nations even if we are better off financially within the EU.
25-11-2018, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AnnieS
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Indeed we were better off being a thorn in their side inside the EU where we had influence and could have gained more power if our politicians had bothered to make an effort. I have said all along we should be staying in and pushing for changes. We will still have to deal with them outside as they are our nearest and biggest market, but we won't have any say in how they do things.
25-11-2018, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Solasch
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Should be no problem, if it is a democratic choice, made by people all having been well informed. But that is what is remiss with the brext referendum. The increasing number of people supporting remain seems to indicate that information is only now seeping into the population.
If yourself and the others who have joined actually respected our decision you wouldn't be arguing every little point IMO
25-11-2018, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Moscow
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Give me an example of when we carried a decision in our favour within the EU. Just one !
The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999
Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.
In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts...-uk-influence/
Of course your blinkers won't allow you to take that in.
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