17-01-2019, 01:18 AM
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[QUOTE=Banchory;1617913]
Originally Posted by Bread
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Yes, but having debunked your zero tariff and tartif quota nonsense as being catastrophic to our manufacturing industry I thought it prudent to point out where the real issues lie when trading with the whole world on WTO rules namely non tariff barriers
More silliness
17-01-2019, 09:40 AM
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Re: Stockpiling
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiWTO Rules are based on Tariffs to protect industry, agriculture etc.
The E is no more protectionist than others.
Both the USA and China have large Import Tariffs and Tariff Quotas to protect their own manufacturing.
They are able to make trade deals to benefit them, where the EU make them on our behalf to benefit France and Germany
17-01-2019, 09:43 AM
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[QUOTE=Banchory;1618192]
Originally Posted by Bread
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Just carry on telling yourself that so you don’t have to deal with reality
And you haven't debunked anything.... Britain cannot make it's own trade deals to benefit itself. The EU makes trade deals to benefit France and Germany and has crippled UK manufacturing by paying companies to leave the UK to move to other EU countries via EU grants.
17-01-2019, 10:06 AM
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[QUOTE=Bread;1618224]
Originally Posted by Banchory
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And you haven't debunked anything.... Britain cannot make it's own trade deals to benefit itself. The EU makes trade deals to benefit France and Germany and has crippled UK manufacturing by paying companies to leave the UK to move to other EU countries via EU grants.
You were advocating Trading under WTO rules with zero tariffs which would have crippled the UK domestic manufacturing industry. This is fact not fantasy and why nobody else does it
You now seem to think that the UK can secure better trade deals than the EU which has the strength of being the worlds largest trading bloc and Thad the most experienced trade negotiators
The UKs negotiations with the ER over post Brexit trade should tell you something but of course it doesn’t fit your fantasy world of life after Brexit
Yes the UK will secure trade deals and they will be better than WTO rules but they won’t be as good as we already have.
17-01-2019, 12:24 PM
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[QUOTE=Banchory;1618231]
Originally Posted by Bread
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Yet more fantasy
You were advocating Trading under WTO rules with zero tariffs which would have crippled the UK domestic manufacturing industry. This is fact not fantasy and why nobody else does it
You now seem to think that the UK can secure better trade deals than the EU which has the strength of being the worlds largest trading bloc and Thad the most experienced trade negotiators
The UKs negotiations with the ER over post Brexit trade should tell you something but of course it doesn’t fit your fantasy world of life after Brexit
Yes the UK will secure trade deals and they will be better than WTO rules but they won’t be as good as we already have.
Lowering our tarrifs would mean cheaper goods - it would not mean the market would be flooded by cheap imports, thats absurd.
Your last point is also wrong. We cannot make trade deals while we are a member state of the EU - only as a third country. I can't remember how many times I've had to explain this.
Why does the EU trade under WTO rules if they are so bad ?
17-01-2019, 05:31 PM
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[QUOTE=Bread;1618343]
Originally Posted by Banchory
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Yes I do think the UK can secure better trade deals than the EU - thats a major point of us leaving.
Lowering our tarrifs would mean cheaper goods - it would not mean the market would be flooded by cheap imports, thats absurd.
Your last point is also wrong. We cannot make trade deals while we are a member state of the EU - only as a third country. I can't remember how many times I've had to explain this.
Why does the EU trade under WTO rules if they are so bad ?
Your major point of leaving is unfortunately pure fantasy. As I previously said, we will enter into trade deals but we will be in a weaker bargaining position so the balance of probability is that we will not get as good a deal.
we have never negotiated any such deals in the past 40 years and have no experienced trade negotiators and you say this is the major point of us leaving. Yes we can make our own trade deals but what makes you think we will get better deals than we already have via the EU agreements or it it all based on Unicorn theory
17-01-2019, 06:28 PM
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[QUOTE=Banchory;1618567]
Originally Posted by Bread
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My last point was correct as it refers to when the UK has left the EU as well you know.
Your major point of leaving is unfortunately pure fantasy. As I previously said, we will enter into trade deals but we will be in a weaker bargaining position so the balance of probability is that we will not get as good a deal.
we have never negotiated any such deals in the past 40 years and have no experienced trade negotiators and you say this is the major point of us leaving. Yes we can make our own trade deals but what makes you think we will get better deals than we already have via the EU agreements or it it all based on Unicorn theory
Utter nonsense do you really think the UK is too stupid to negotiate tree deals? We haven't negotiated trade deals in the last 40 years because we are in the EU ... the trade deals the EU have benefit german manufacturing and French farmers.
Negotiating our own will benefit us.
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