25-08-2013, 10:35 AM
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Re: Diana, Princess of Wales
Originally Posted by ben-varrey
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I have already responded to those posts Julie and, as I have said, you used the term about yourself; Markey used it about someone else and, without knowing exactly what everyone in that household went through, it is disrespectful to refer to someone in that way. Mental illness is often caused by the behaviour of others and/or environment and, if that turned out to be the case, I don't think it's fair to refer to them in that way. There but for the grace of God go I springs to mind.Are you aware of where the term 'basket case' came from and why it was used?
I don't like how people who say anything other than nice things about her get treated in these threads, we all come to this from different perspectives judging by how we would/could react. None of us are right or wrong as we none of us have all the facts or witnessed all that happened we can only have opinions and we shape them from our own life experiences.
25-08-2013, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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No I'm not but where I come from it's used much like a sandwich short of a picnic or screw loose, and we use terms like that about each other and laugh about them. I do have a lot of sympathy for Diana but I do see how screwed up she was/became.
I have met quite a few 'damaged' young women who are desperate to be loved (by anyone if they were truthful) and will go from man to man trying to find that love; one of the saddest states of mind to be in imo.
25-08-2013, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ben-varrey
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There are many sayings that used to be said in jest that are now unacceptable because of the negative slant it puts on certain groups of people and, imo, that is rightly so.In essence, I would agree with you. However, going from the anti-Diana comments (especially from those who felt sorry for Barry whatsisname's children), how do you think William and Harry would feel hearing their mother being referred to as a scheming, backstabbing, low-moraled slag? That pretty much sums up what's being said on here.
I have met quite a few 'damaged' young women who are desperate to be loved (by anyone if they were truthful) and will go from man to man trying to find that love; one of the saddest states of mind to be in imo.
25-08-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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But that works both ways surely the children on all sides of this sorry debacle must have heard dreadful things about their mothers and fathers.
25-08-2013, 11:24 AM
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Re: Diana, Princess of Wales
Originally Posted by ben-varrey
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Other than some on this forum, I don't think I've heard Diana referred to in the way she has been. On a personal level, I don't much care if people liked her or not, it's no great shakes. But when it comes to trying to paint Charles and Camilla as totally innocent and doing nothing until Diana did it, I find that laughable and a bit unacceptable: as has already been said - it's like blaming the victim for the crime agains them (not a brilliant analogy I know but it'll have to do).I don't think I ever have said anything really bad about Charles and Camilla. I've never really taken to Charles and Camilla just doesn't do it for me at all so they're both non-starters (in the likeability stakes) as far as I'm concerned. If other people like them, that's fine. But they shouldn't slate Diana as the sole reason for everything that happened from the moment she married him until the day she died - it's such an unrealistic stance to take that it, as far as I'm concerned, invalidates the comments those people make.
25-08-2013, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Fair enough but not everyone sees it like that and they have to be free to say so, in whatever way they find most appropriate. We seem to agree but that doesn't ,mean we should not let others disagree with us. This is a discussion forum and discussion to me means allowing everyone to have their say and listening to them, disagreeing but trying not to get personal about other members and a line is crossed every time Diana is mentioned with some people being very personal.
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