16-03-2019, 03:46 PM
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Re: Betrayal By Our Own MP's!
Originally Posted by Julie1962
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Many of us would chose to have less if we could lose the EU, Freedom costs, always does but very few people would vote to be slaves rather than poorer but free.
Good luck!
16-03-2019, 04:01 PM
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Re: Betrayal By Our Own MP's!
Originally Posted by shropshiregirl
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And the people govern, Rich and Poor, through their representative (well, that's how it was meant to be before democracy was kicked in the teeth by the establishment.)
Originally, the King "governed"; parliament evolved ti asist him in this task.
It is HMG - His/Her Majesty's Government. It most definitely is not "the people's" government.
16-03-2019, 04:05 PM
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Re: Betrayal By Our Own MP's!
Originally Posted by OldFogey
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No, "the people" do not govern.Originally, the King "governed"; parliament evolved ti asist him in this task.
It is HMG - His/Her Majesty's Government. It most definitely is not "the people's" government.
16-03-2019, 04:12 PM
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Re: Betrayal By Our Own MP's!
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Then the UK is a constitutional monarchy (even without the constitution laid down in one, single, document)?
Yes, it is.
16-03-2019, 04:13 PM
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Re: Betrayal By Our Own MP's!
Yes, a "limited monarch" is the usual phrase.We are not citizens of a state; we are Subjects of the Crown.
Hence Her Majesty's Government; the King's/ Queens's Highway; the Royal Mail; Dieu et Mon Droit (God and My Right) in the courts; detention at His / Her Majesty's Pleasure (imprisonment); the King's/ Queen's peace, and so on.
"Democracy" was a dirty word until the early 20th century - Karl Marx used the term in the Communist Manifesto (1848) precisely because rule by the people (demos in Greek) was considered highly subversive. And don't even mention extending the franchise to the working-classes and to women!
It's ironical that a lot of pro-Brexit people bang on about "democracy". Most of them would have opposed every extension of that principle, just as their right-wing precursors did.
Can you imagine what a nutter like Jacob Rees-Mogg would have made of the Suffragettes?!
16-03-2019, 04:25 PM
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Re: Betrayal By Our Own MP's!
Originally Posted by OldFogey
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Yes, a "limited monarch" is the usual phrase.We are not citizens of a state; we are Subjects of the Crown.
Hence Her Majesty's Government; the King's/ Queens's Highway; the Royal Mail; Dieu et Mon Droit (God and My Right) in the courts; detention at His / Her Majesty's Pleasure (imprisonment); the King's/ Queen's peace, and so on.
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