18-06-2021, 09:26 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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If done properly - neither. There are always ways to get shot of dead wood.
Why do you call people who are perhaps afraid of having the vaccine "dead wood"?
18-06-2021, 09:31 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by Mups
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Yes, I think that will happen too, Pixie.They were saying on the news that if some care staff still refuse the vaccine though, they will either end up walking out, or getting the sack, which will create another problem - staff shortages.
Also will they be entitled to any pay-off if they have to leave, and if so, who coughs up - the employer, or the government?
https://www.skillsforcare.org.uk/adu...n-England.aspx
The same applies in the NHS, shortages of nursing staff has been evident for many years and is reckoned to get worse following the pandemic and staff being 'burned out' by the stressful work they have been doing:
https://www.nhsemployers.org/media-c...g-numbers-grow
https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinica...nd-28-04-2021/
18-06-2021, 09:36 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by Mups
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Why do you call people who are perhaps afraid of having the vaccine "dead wood"?
18-06-2021, 09:36 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by Baz46
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That problem already exists in the nursing home sector, it's nothing new and was increased by Brexit, apparently:https://www.skillsforcare.org.uk/adu...n-England.aspx
The same applies in the NHS, shortages of nursing staff has been evident for many years and is reckoned to get worse following the pandemic and staff being 'burned out' by the stressful work they have been doing:
https://www.nhsemployers.org/media-c...g-numbers-grow
https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinica...nd-28-04-2021/
Yes Baz, so if there are so many shortages already, enforcing vaccination can only make it even worse.
This will put even more strain on the workers who stay, which will make even more either 'burn out' or pack in.
18-06-2021, 09:37 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by Mups
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Yes Baz, so if there are so many shortages already, enforcing vaccination can only make it even worse.This will put even more strain on the workers who stay, which will make even more either 'burn out' or pack in.
18-06-2021, 09:39 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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Because if covid immunisation is required as a job requirement to work in certain places and some people already employed refuse to comply with the requirements of the job then they become neither use or ornament.
So see my post to Baz then.
I can easily see Care/nursing homes being forced to close down, because they will not have enough staff to keep working.
What will happen to all the old or poorly people who live in these places when their home is closed down?
I am not just talking about ' a home' here, because I foresee the problem becoming widespread.
18-06-2021, 09:44 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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A risk worth taking.
Todger, I am not sure I agree with you here.
This could be many residents of homes we are talking about, not just one or two.
How would you feel if it was your family you loved in such a place, and they were perhaps moved miles and miles away because their home had to shut through employers forcing these new rules.
I know if it had been my parents who were sent somewhere I couldn't visit easily, I would be very angry.
18-06-2021, 09:46 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by Mups
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So see my post to Baz then.I can easily see Care/nursing homes being forced to close down, because they will not have enough staff to keep working.
What will happen to all the old or poorly people who live in these places when their home is closed down?
I am not just talking about ' a home' here, because I foresee the problem becoming widespread.
There can be to alternative.
18-06-2021, 09:46 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by Mups
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Yes Baz, so if there are so many shortages already, enforcing vaccination can only make it even worse.This will put even more strain on the workers who stay, which will make even more either 'burn out' or pack in.
https://www.health.org.uk/blogs/gene...saries-removed
I distinctly remember somewhere around 15-20 years' ago maternity services were warning that there would be a shortage if more staff were not recruited. Guess what happened – nothing and here we are with shortages!
https://www.rcm.org.uk/media-release...rale-says-rcm/
18-06-2021, 09:58 PM
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Re: This should prove interesting …
Originally Posted by The Artful Todger
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For one thing families will HAVE to step up and take responsibility for what they have been delegating to state provision very often being paid for by tax payers.There can be to alternative.
Again I don't agree, and there are several reasons why I feel like this.
1) For a start, some elderly and/or sick folks have no family to "step up and take responsibility" for them. So then what?
2) Many of these care residents have special and complicated needs, so family with no medical knowledge might mean well, but could do more harm than good.
They could need special adapments, specific equipment, bath hoists, bed hoists, an understanding of drugs to administer, and nursing skills.
3) Who pays the mortgage if family have to give up work to take on long term care for someone?
4) Some families might be unable to accomodate an elderly relative either. Not everyone has spare rooms or a Granny annexe y'know!
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