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Except that you could see Lewis brake, late admitedley, and then Max turn his steering wheel right when he knew Hamilton was there. Here's the opinion of a former F1 driver


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With the incident itself I can’t help but feel it’s a racing incident. Hamilton was fully up the inside of Verstappen into the corner, therefore had earned the right to some space on the inside. Verstappen turned in knowing he was there, inevitably taking a risk that he would be hit by a Mercedes that couldn’t vanish.
Hamilton did miss the apex, but not by a huge amount – he never took the apex kerb there all weekend as it unsettled his Mercedes, so he wouldn’t have been aiming for it on this ambitious pass either, even though later on he did on his understandably more cautious pass on Charles Leclerc.
No doubt it was a bold attempt from Hamilton on the inside, one that was incredibly risky, but it was also bold and risky for Verstappen to know the Mercedes was there on his inside and still turn in absolutely flat-out at one of the fastest corners on the calendar.
If you absolutely had to apportion blame, then maybe as Lewis missed the apex slightly you would say it was more him, but in the grand scheme of things this falls into the racing incident banner for me – a collision between two drivers who both refused to yield. What muddied the picture is the outcome."
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20-07-2021, 10:15 PM
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As I said, a racing incident
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21-07-2021, 07:27 AM
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Well the stewards deemed Hamilton was at fault and awarded a penalty accordingly, but as the great ayrton senna said
“ if you no longer go for a gap that is there, then you are no longer a racing driver” ..
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21-07-2021, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Primus1 ->
Well the stewards deemed Hamilton was at fault and awarded a penalty accordingly, but as the great ayrton senna said
“ if you no longer go for a gap that is there, then you are no longer a racing driver” ..
I maintain that Hamilton should have been disqualified Primus.....
Verstappen was hit from behind, the aerofoil on the front of hamilton's car pierced the rear tyre of verstappen's car. There was no risk to hamilton whatsoever by performing such a careless and unsafe move coming off a bend. The worst that could happen to hamilton was a new nose (which happened) the best that could happen to verstappen was a controlled crash into the barrier, it could have ended far more serious for the Dutch driver. If you were hit from behind while driving it is naturally assumed that it's the driver behind at fault. Vision is impaired on a racing car and verstappen might not even have noticed hamilton behind him, and hamilton switched sides twice to find a space to pass and therefore would have been in verstappen's blind spot. Verstappen has the right to make one defensive move, so if he had noticed hamilton, he could leave the racing line to defend.

I'm sure Ayrton Senna didn't mean putting another driver's life at risk by deliberately making an unsafe and careless move to overtake at any cost. Hamilton is probably one of the best most skillful racing drivers ever, and he knew exactly what he was doing, and if he didn't, it was a massive error of judgement and in either case the penalty should have been far more serious.
If a driver takes a shortcut leaving the track to keep control of his car and passes a another competitor, he must give the place back. So the decent thing to have done here would have been to disqualify hamilton and let the points stay the same. In the event, hamilton has taken a massive advantage by his action.
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21-07-2021, 06:02 PM
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Afaik, Hamilton and max were side by side ( more or less) lewis didn’t run into the back of him, max turned in on him, but neither were prepared to give ground, both were vying for the same piece of tarmac, as for senna, both he and Prost took each other out on two occasions, 1989, they both clashed at suzuka, the following year it happened again both went off,
Schumacher did the same to Damon hill costing him the championship, then again he did it to vilenueve but this time it didn’t work, there are many cases where drivers have taken other drivers out, max has had his fair share,
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22-07-2021, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Primus1 ->
Afaik, Hamilton and max were side by side ( more or less) lewis didn’t run into the back of him, max turned in on him, but neither were prepared to give ground, both were vying for the same piece of tarmac, as for senna, both he and Prost took each other out on two occasions, 1989, they both clashed at suzuka, the following year it happened again both went off,
Schumacher did the same to Damon hill costing him the championship, then again he did it to vilenueve but this time it didn’t work, there are many cases where drivers have taken other drivers out, max has had his fair share,
They couldn't have been side by side Primus if the front wing of hamilton's car punctured the rear tyre of verstappen's car....
And later, hamilton's front pod was replaced from the damage....
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The stewards decided both were responsible 60/40 Hamilton/Crashstappen.Lewis got a penalty and presumably Max would have too if he hadn't been out as a result of the incident. Max did turn in on Lewis.
That’s funny
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22-07-2021, 05:09 PM
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Lewis had everything to lose donks, he was 32 points behind in the championship, if they had both gone out they would be exactly the same, max maybe should’ve backed out, if he had finished second he would still be in front by some margin, the same goes for lewis..
Fair points but Max is too aggressive- there’s no way he would have looked at the big picture.
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Originally Posted by Ray Cathode ->
Except that you could see Lewis brake, late admitedley, and then Max turn his steering wheel right when he knew Hamilton was there. Here's the opinion of a former F1 driver


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With the incident itself I can’t help but feel it’s a racing incident. Hamilton was fully up the inside of Verstappen into the corner, therefore had earned the right to some space on the inside. Verstappen turned in knowing he was there, inevitably taking a risk that he would be hit by a Mercedes that couldn’t vanish.
Hamilton did miss the apex, but not by a huge amount – he never took the apex kerb there all weekend as it unsettled his Mercedes, so he wouldn’t have been aiming for it on this ambitious pass either, even though later on he did on his understandably more cautious pass on Charles Leclerc.
No doubt it was a bold attempt from Hamilton on the inside, one that was incredibly risky, but it was also bold and risky for Verstappen to know the Mercedes was there on his inside and still turn in absolutely flat-out at one of the fastest corners on the calendar.
If you absolutely had to apportion blame, then maybe as Lewis missed the apex slightly you would say it was more him, but in the grand scheme of things this falls into the racing incident banner for me – a collision between two drivers who both refused to yield. What muddied the picture is the outcome."
Thanks for the extract Ray. Interesting reading
 
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