Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

Hi

You are wrong.

There is no such agreement in place.

The EU have announced, that as part of their No Deal Preparations, they will allow UK registered hauliers to continue operating in the EU for a temporary period.

They have done this to avoid disruption to their exports, not ours.

Checks will still however be introduced on all goods vehicles entering the EU from the UK.

This is accordance with WTO Rules.

As regards your other statement , that Moroccan HGV's use the same route unchecked, that is simply because , with a Single Market, the checks are done at the point of entry into the EU, not at Dover.

The EU are looking after themselves, not us.

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

I suggest you do your research

... there are other countries using that route too. Switzerland move a lot of lorries around and they aren't in the EU (although they have bilateral agreements).

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

Hi

I do do my research.

I am well aware that other countries use that route, but as France, Belgium and Holland are all inside the EU those vehicles and their cargoes have already been checked.

A No Deal means we leave with no such bilateral agreements.

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

What about 3rd countries??? They arent all checked are they otherwise it would be carnage - theres no way of telling what is on the lorry anyway regardless of what's written in the side if it or the country its registered too.

Ireland will have the same problem shipping its beef etc to the EU through the UK - we will be a 3td country ...

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

Hi

Once again you are wrong.

Imports to the EU are checked at point of entry, a lot of our containers from the USA and Far East are checked in Antwerp, Rotterdam etc and then transshipped here, with no further checks at UK Borders.

Import tariffs are collected via Electronic Systems en route and a system of checks are carried out to minimise smuggling, including X Rays.

Container shipping is easy, very different to time critical Roll On Roll Off.

How the hell do you think we find drugs and illegal migrants?

Mrs May slashed the number of Border Staff and Inspections.

No Deal means we will have to collect any tariffs and maintain quotas on all imports from the EU when previously there where none.

A huge increase in workload.

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

It isn't at all the most efficient ports we have are Southampton and felixstowe which deal with 3rd countries.

Your talking bollocks .. the customs union has never been about smuggling and we arent in Schengen anyway

Besides, we control what comes into our country and if we apply tarrifs we do it like we do with the rest of the world

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

At the risk of sounding naive (and I'm confident that 'someone' will assure me that I am!), if containers from the US and the Far East are presently checked in Antwerp and Rotterdam, why can't they be checked at Southampton and Felixstowe (and others) after we are an independent nation again?

Is there some reason why they can't come here directly, rather than offloading at EU ports, re-loading on to other ships, and then shipped to us across the Channel.

In fact, the direct route - US, Far East, the rest of the world to the UK - seems more efficient.

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

Hi

I am not, Ro Ro traffic is very different to container traffic.

It is not about the Customs Union or Schengen, it is about No Deal, which means WTO Rules and checks.

We will for the first time in decades be collecting tariffs and doing health checks and rule of origin checks on anything which arrives via the EU.

No Deal means the EU and all other Countries we used to have a Trade Deal with which has not been rolled over on Brexit Date will be doing the same to us.

It will not be long now until Boris and his promised leaving date.

Then we will know, until then it is theory.

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

Hi folks - this is my very, very, very first post - yippy

I have been reading the posts in this thread with real intrigue. I live on the other side of the world in NZ where we are not directly affected but all this angst brings back solid memories of what happened to New Zealand when the UK entered the Common Market 40 years ago??

I remember how concerned our small nation was back then as we were almost literally the "pantry to the UK" in those days. All our food exports - mostly animal products - were sold almost exclusively to the UK - talk about having "all our eggs in one basket". So many NZ families were involved in farming or support services - everyone was very worried and our govt at the time tried to negotiate a soft landing - "sound familiar"? I was only in my early teens at the time but I can still remember my parents discussing it's impact just as you folk in the UK are currently experiencing.

I don't remember the finer details (14 year olds are focused on other things at that age) but I'm guessing there wasn't much of a "soft landing" - as by the early 80s this country was close to bankruptcy and on the verge of loan defaulting. In 1984 the Labour govt was swept into power in a landslide and got to work stripping away every farming subsidy it could find and privatising every thing it could to save our bacon. They were massively hard times and there was enormous economic pain as we said bye bye to the UK markets and had get very enterprising very quickly - it really was sink or swim for the nation at that time.

The end result of all that pain was a country that now stands on it's own two feet economically and has been one of the top economic performers in the world especially since the GFC. I think we learned so much from those bad years that we are now especially good at negotiating free trade agreements and getting rid of red tape etc. NZ is now considered in the top three most competitive countries in the world to do business - ahead of Singapore - which is some achievement. That doesn't mean that we haven't got many social and low pay related issues still to solve but our experience is that going it alone is not all doom and gloom and it certainly won't be for the UK either. The right decision was definitely made back in 2016 to leave in my personal opinion, but there will be alot of pain to get to the point we have over the last 40 years. Many of you may not see the longterm benefits in your lifetimes - but what an amazing gift you will be leaving for your grandchildren and their children in the years ahead. Thinking of you all right now - chins up and keep believing.

Re: Anyone prepping for an Oct No-Deal?

What a welcome post from a new member! Thank you.

I have always, as far back as I can remember, regarded our fellow Anglophone Commonwealth countries (and the US) to be far more reliable and trustworthy friends than our so-called 'friends' in Europe. I speak really about the EU politicians, of course, and not most of their ordinary people who, when we have holidayed in Europe, I have found to be good, decent people.

Now, in the days of our attempts to extricate ourselves from what I perceive as a corrupt political organisation, my feelings against the EU politicians are even stronger. Sadly, many of our own politicians seem to have allied themselves with them too.

If it were possible, I think we'd do ourselves a great service if we could up-anchor and sail across the world to physically join the antipodean countries! I'm sure we'd get along famously with you.