Join for free
Page 6 of 8 « First < 4 5 6 7 8 >
OldGreyFox's Avatar
OldGreyFox
Chatterbox
OldGreyFox is offline
South Yorkshire
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 21,202
OldGreyFox is male  OldGreyFox has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
07-01-2020, 10:05 PM
51

Re: Australian Fires

Originally Posted by galty ->
A couple of swear words.

But a great insight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tn8f0uaB4
That bloke is the dogs wotsits Galty.....
The best common sense I've heard in ages.
OldGreyFox's Avatar
OldGreyFox
Chatterbox
OldGreyFox is offline
South Yorkshire
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 21,202
OldGreyFox is male  OldGreyFox has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
07-01-2020, 10:07 PM
52

Re: Australian Fires

Originally Posted by Ciderman ->
I don't know who he is but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
But you'd trust the media to tell you the truth?
You're the car salesman's dream Ciderman....
Bruce's Avatar
Bruce
Chatterbox
Bruce is offline
Wollongong, Australia
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 15,218
Bruce is male  Bruce has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
08-01-2020, 03:05 AM
53

Re: Australian Fires

Originally Posted by Ciderman ->
I don't know who he is but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
Hear, hear. Sounded like he had been reading the Murdoch press.
Bruce's Avatar
Bruce
Chatterbox
Bruce is offline
Wollongong, Australia
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 15,218
Bruce is male  Bruce has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
08-01-2020, 03:49 AM
54

Re: Australian Fires

The boss of the New South Wales Rural Fire Service says hazard reduction is important but not a panacea for bushfire risk and has “very little effect at all” on the spread of fire in severe or extreme weather.

Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons on Wednesday addressed the organisation’s hazard reduction activities as bushfires fuel debate over preparation for the NSW fire season.

The federal Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce told the Seven Network that “green caveats” were hampering firefighting capacity.

But Fitzsimmons said hazard reduction burning was challenging and the biggest impediment to completing burns was weather.

He said there was a “shrinking window of opportunity” for more favourable burning periods as fire seasons lengthened.

“Hazard reduction is absolutely an important factor when it comes to fire management and managing fire in the landscape but it is not the panacea,” Fitzsimmons told ABC News on Wednesday.

“When you’re running fires under severe, extreme or worse conditions, hazard reduction has very little effect at all on fire spread.

“It’s only when the conditions back off a bit ... that you’ve actually got some prospect of slowing the fire spread.”

Fitzsimmons said the RFS was now achieving up to 90% of its annual burn program.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-rfs-boss-says
Isa49's Avatar
Isa49
Member
Isa49 is offline
New Zealand
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 98
Isa49 is female  Isa49 has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
08-01-2020, 11:11 PM
55

Re: Australian Fires

Who's palm is he greasing. Below are the true facts of the matter.

"These comments have been made by a senior business man residing in
Queensland who worked in the saw-milling industry for 40 years.

These fires are a product of miss management of our forests and land
management over a long period. Australia burns and has done so long before
European settlement.
The Governments have used the Greens to keep in power and the policies of
the Greens have been to lock our parks up with no management. Successive
governments State and Federal have agreed to this policy despite Foresters
and industry warning of the catastrophe they were making.

All management for fire reduction has been stopped or so little it made no
difference. There developed so much fuel in these forests that when the
conditions were right they just became impossible to fight the fire storm.

Land owners were not allowed to clean their land in any sort of fire hazard
reduction. Also with the Tree change population they built homes in amongst
the forests with scrubs and trees up to their homes.
Somehow they thought it would be all right.

At home here I am concerned as the park in front of us has not had a hazard
reduction burn in 16 years the fuel load on the ground is very high just
waiting for a spark to light it up.

Don't think for one minute that this is a result of Climate Change. It is a
result of failed government policies led by the green members of Government
over many years.
Yes. the failing to listen to the many experts about the growing fuel volume
in the National Parks, State parks, and on private property.

You may have seen photos of the devastation on Kangaroo Island. We were
there in 2018 and this resort had this scrub so thick you could not walk
through it surrounding it. It was sitting on top of a fire storm in the
waiting for the right conditions. Thousands of livestock were burnt to death
in this fire and untold native animals. All could have been prevented. One
land holder who has been devastated said we used to be able to manage our
properties and have hazard reduction burns but we have been prevented from
doing this for some years.

I feel for those who have lost everything believing that the lock up and do
nothing was the right thing to manage the Australian bush.
Well it isn't, these fires have been before and inquiry after inquiry have
confirmed the need for fuel reduction burns in the parks and let the land
owners manager their properties. Nothing was done and this is the result.

Nothing To Do With Climate Change, it will be said it is, but that is for
the Governments and political parties to duck from the where the blame lies.

In the Northern Territory it is normal that the bush is set on fire every 2 years
either naturally or by the Aborigines or the locals.and it does not damage the trees as
there is not enough fuel for it to get too hot.and within weeks there are green shoots
coming up everywhere.
Unfortunately in this World today extremists on both sides want to rule and it takes a
very astute person to be able to go down the middle and get agreement on both sides."

Amen to that.
OldGreyFox's Avatar
OldGreyFox
Chatterbox
OldGreyFox is offline
South Yorkshire
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 21,202
OldGreyFox is male  OldGreyFox has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
08-01-2020, 11:17 PM
56

Re: Australian Fires

Originally Posted by Isa49 ->
Who's palm is he greasing. Below are the true facts of the matter.

"These comments have been made by a senior business man residing in
Queensland who worked in the saw-milling industry for 40 years.

These fires are a product of miss management of our forests and land
management over a long period. Australia burns and has done so long before
European settlement.
The Governments have used the Greens to keep in power and the policies of
the Greens have been to lock our parks up with no management. Successive
governments State and Federal have agreed to this policy despite Foresters
and industry warning of the catastrophe they were making.

All management for fire reduction has been stopped or so little it made no
difference. There developed so much fuel in these forests that when the
conditions were right they just became impossible to fight the fire storm.

Land owners were not allowed to clean their land in any sort of fire hazard
reduction. Also with the Tree change population they built homes in amongst
the forests with scrubs and trees up to their homes.
Somehow they thought it would be all right.

At home here I am concerned as the park in front of us has not had a hazard
reduction burn in 16 years the fuel load on the ground is very high just
waiting for a spark to light it up.

Don't think for one minute that this is a result of Climate Change. It is a
result of failed government policies led by the green members of Government
over many years.
Yes. the failing to listen to the many experts about the growing fuel volume
in the National Parks, State parks, and on private property.

You may have seen photos of the devastation on Kangaroo Island. We were
there in 2018 and this resort had this scrub so thick you could not walk
through it surrounding it. It was sitting on top of a fire storm in the
waiting for the right conditions. Thousands of livestock were burnt to death
in this fire and untold native animals. All could have been prevented. One
land holder who has been devastated said we used to be able to manage our
properties and have hazard reduction burns but we have been prevented from
doing this for some years.

I feel for those who have lost everything believing that the lock up and do
nothing was the right thing to manage the Australian bush.
Well it isn't, these fires have been before and inquiry after inquiry have
confirmed the need for fuel reduction burns in the parks and let the land
owners manager their properties. Nothing was done and this is the result.

Nothing To Do With Climate Change, it will be said it is, but that is for
the Governments and political parties to duck from the where the blame lies.

In the Northern Territory it is normal that the bush is set on fire every 2 years
either naturally or by the Aborigines or the locals.and it does not damage the trees as
there is not enough fuel for it to get too hot.and within weeks there are green shoots
coming up everywhere.
Unfortunately in this World today extremists on both sides want to rule and it takes a
very astute person to be able to go down the middle and get agreement on both sides."

Amen to that.
Good post Isa, and this climate change rubbish extends even further than the bushfires.
Bruce's Avatar
Bruce
Chatterbox
Bruce is offline
Wollongong, Australia
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 15,218
Bruce is male  Bruce has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
09-01-2020, 01:22 AM
57

Re: Australian Fires

It's amazing. Some random unnamed businessman from Queensland is touted as a bigger fire expert than the head of the NSW Rural Fire Service. That makes sense. Not.
Donkeyman
Chatterbox
Donkeyman is offline
Melton,United Kingdom
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 9,088
Donkeyman is male  Donkeyman has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
10-01-2020, 12:31 PM
58

Re: Australian Fires

Great post Isa, it echoes my thoughts entirely!
My observation of the current events in ozzie are that the initial
fire outbreaks were not dealt with quickly enough, if at all? and were
left to burn,on the premise that; oh we get them every year, they just
burn themselves out eventually, you poms worry too much,chill out!
etc! etc! And we are world leaders in bush fire management and
give advice to america and canada are just some of the remarks
directed at me from ozzy freinds and on this forum when l engaged
with them on this subject?
So l think the ozzy tendancy to be laid back and relaxed could also
have a bearing on events?
Having lived through two large forest fires and a couple of smaller
ones whilst living in a forest in south africa l know the importance
of dealing quickly with wild fires BEFORE they gain a foothold!
Your article ties in with my personal experiences exactly!

Regards bDonkeyman!
Donkeyman
Chatterbox
Donkeyman is offline
Melton,United Kingdom
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 9,088
Donkeyman is male  Donkeyman has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
10-01-2020, 12:40 PM
59

Re: Australian Fires

Originally Posted by Bruce ->
It's amazing. Some random unnamed businessman from Queensland is touted as a bigger fire expert than the head of the NSW Rural Fire Service. That makes sense. Not.
The unnamed sawmill manager's opinion makes perfect sense to
me Brucy?
You dont need a universty degree to run a forest, experience is far
more useful?
Donkeyman aka n assman!
The Artful Todger's Avatar
The Artful Todger
Chatterbox
The Artful Todger is offline
Suffolk UK
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 12,816
The Artful Todger is male  The Artful Todger has posted at least 25 times and has been a member for 3 months or more 
 
10-01-2020, 02:31 PM
60

Re: Australian Fires

Originally Posted by OldGreyFox ->
Good post Isa, and this climate change rubbish extends even further than the bushfires.
But it's not rubbish though.
 
Page 6 of 8 « First < 4 5 6 7 8 >

Thread Tools


© Copyright 2009, Over50sForum   Contact Us | Over 50s Forum! | Archive | Privacy Statement | Terms of Use | Top

Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.