20-10-2018, 07:13 PM
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Re: Remainers March in London
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The UK is not convinced Brexit is a good idea. That is becoming clear. It doesn't matter what people voted. Because when people voted they did not consider the Irish border problem. (someone tell me I'm wrong - please!) I don't know of anyone who saw that as a major stumbling block. I wonder where we would be now if it weren't for that.
The reason it's a 'problem' is that Varadker wants to frustrate the DUP.
Not a reason to stop Brexit tho'.
It can't be beyond the wit of man to find a solution. Part of that solution will be putting Varadker back in his box.
As for where are we in the negotiations.........95%agreed and ready to sign off apparantly , so no reason to abandon Brexit at this late stage.
20-10-2018, 07:15 PM
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HiWe are a Democracy, they were entitled to their march, we are not a dictatorship.
We do not have to take any notice of it.
The EU is not a democracy, it did not vote to open up the borders to economic migrants, Merkel did it all on her own, caused immense problems and the demanded that other EU Countries take those she did not want.
Poland voted for a new Government, to get rid of their Political Elite and the Judiciary that elite had appointed.
They are now being sanctioned by the EU.
I was a very reluctant Leaver, I wanted to stay in but saw no way of doing so.
The longer this goes on the more convinced I am that I made the right decision in voting to leave.
20-10-2018, 07:29 PM
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Re: Remainers March in London
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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What is the 5% Ireland aside?
I do not know the whole of it, but some of it revolves around security issues and access to databases.
The EU are insisting that if we want to access them it will be under the scrutiny of the ECJ.
This seems a fair point to me, as after Brexit they will only be able to access our databases subject to our laws.
Hardcore Politicians on both sides playing silly buggas on this one.
It is in all our best interests to track criminals, terrorists and the money they use.
I do not view this as a concession, just commonsense.
20-10-2018, 07:43 PM
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Re: Remainers March in London
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The UK is not convinced Brexit is a good idea. That is becoming clear. It doesn't matter what people voted. Because when people voted they did not consider the Irish border problem. (someone tell me I'm wrong - please!) I don't know of anyone who saw that as a major stumbling block. I wonder where we would be now if it weren't for that.
In fact, I would go as far as to say that those same, silent 17.4 million people who did vote to Leave, after listening and witnessing the sheer treachery that has been heaped upon them for the past two years, will instead have hardened, not softened their stance towards remaining in the EU. I would also gamble on the fact that if there was a second referendum, the percentage wanting to leave would be even higher than the original vote.
Remainers incessant insults towards people who voted to leave as being ignorant, bigoted little Englanders, will also ensure ever more living outside of Bubbleland will have seen firsthand, the EU cartel and it's avid followers in their true colours.
Beware of what you wish for!
20-10-2018, 07:51 PM
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I don't think there is the same mood among ordinary people on the street as there was SG. People are getting bored of it all whatever they voted. We aren't where we were a year ago, the insults aren't flying (except here) because everyone is united in their view that it's turned into an utter shambles.
20-10-2018, 08:11 PM
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Re: Remainers March in London
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiI do not know the whole of it, but some of it revolves around security issues and access to databases.
The EU are insisting that if we want to access them it will be under the scrutiny of the ECJ.
This seems a fair point to me, as after Brexit they will only be able to access our databases subject to our laws.
Hardcore Politicians on both sides playing silly buggas on this one.
cooperation after
Brexit: Follow-up
report: Government
Response
We urge the EU to outline the conditions that it would expect the UK to meet in
order to retain access to SIS II. We have already argued that the Government must
make concessions to ensure that the EU entrusts it with highly sensitive data on EU
citizens, including compliance with EU data protection standards and adherence to
Article 8 of the EU Charter on Fundamental Rights, by incorporating it into UK law.
The Government must urgently set out its plan for securing data adequacy, including
how it intends to deal with sensitive national security and surveillance issues. It
should also remove the immigration exemption from the Data Protection Act—both
to ensure proper transparency in its immigration policy, and to avoid undermining a
data adequacy decision.
20-10-2018, 08:20 PM
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Re: Remainers March in London
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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I don't think there is the same mood among ordinary people on the street as there was SG. People are getting bored of it all whatever they voted. We aren't where we were a year ago, the insults aren't flying (except here) because everyone is united in their view that it's turned into an utter shambles.
I am not saying she doesn't have Britain's interest at heart, but she is too weak and too liberal to stand up for us. (joyful news no doubt to remainers).She seems so intent on gaining a deal to leave, she is prepared to turn our red lines pink! As remainers are fond of saying... this is not what we voted for!! We need someone with the same demeanour as Trump, who would soon put those arrogant, bullying (every expletive known) in their places. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have anyone of that calibre in government.
As for the people in the street being bored and the insults ceased, that can only be good news. It doesn't mean that people have changed their views over their decision though. One would need to have a second referendum to find that out, and all hell would break loose if that were to happen.
20-10-2018, 08:27 PM
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Re: Remainers March in London
Originally Posted by AnnieS
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The UK is not convinced Brexit is a good idea. That is becoming clear. It doesn't matter what people voted. Because when people voted they did not consider the Irish border problem. (someone tell me I'm wrong - please!) I don't know of anyone who saw that as a major stumbling block. I wonder where we would be now if it weren't for that.
So before the article 50 procedure was invoked.
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