17-06-2020, 12:20 PM
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Re: Nz & oz fta??
Originally Posted by Bread
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Ratifying trade deals is straight forward with the UK.Firstly, we have a majority government
Secondly we don't have 27 countries to cater for all with different agendas.
Third, they are already members of our Commonwealth.
Even if they aren't signed up in time, if the intention is agreed, under WTO rules the agreements can take effect
All that looks so promising that I wished there was a way for the UK to end the UK-EU negotiations and the transition period immediately. There will be no appropriate deal between UK and the EU anyway so why lose more time and money...
Anyway that is all fantastic news.
17-06-2020, 12:22 PM
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Re: Nz & oz fta??
Originally Posted by 7779311
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Very good, it looks like we all can rely on your assumption. With so many convincing arguments nothing can go wrong.All that looks so promising that I wished there was a way for the UK to end the UK-EU negotiations and the transition period immediately. There will be no appropriate deal between UK and the EU anyway so why lose more time and money...
Anyway that is all fantastic news.
Thats a big improvement too since yesterday
17-06-2020, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 7779311
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Hey that is good news. Okay the agreements are expected to take effect as this quote shows: "Agreements with the following countries and trading blocs are expected to take effect when existing EU trade agreements no longer apply to the UK, from 1 January 2021."I hope that nobody complains when those agreements only take effect but are not "ready and ratified".
The negotiation and signature of treaties … is a function of the government, exercised through the 'royalp prerogative’, and therefore parliamentary ‘interest and involvement’ in the treaty-making process has generally been ‘limited’. Indeed, parliamentary scrutiny of treaty-making, such as it is, is generally confined to scrutiny of legislation introduced into parliament by the government for the purpose of implementing treaty obligations. By that point, however, parliament is in a position to address no more than how such obligations are to be given effect in domestic law, the existence of those obligations — and their binding effect upon the UK as a state in international law — being a given at that stage in the process. In the light of that, and bearing in mind that not all treaties generate obligations that need to be given legal effect via domestic primary legislation, it is clear that scrutiny of treaty-related legislation cannot reasonably be regarded as a substitute for scrutiny of treaties themselves at a point when they amount to something other than a done deal.
17-06-2020, 02:29 PM
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Re: Nz & oz fta??
Originally Posted by 7779311
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Very good, it looks like we all can rely on your assumption. With so many convincing arguments nothing can go wrong.All that looks so promising that I wished there was a way for the UK to end the UK-EU negotiations and the transition period immediately. There will be no appropriate deal between UK and the EU anyway so why lose more time and money...
Anyway that is all fantastic news.
Oh, and note the text in bold!
Towards an EU-New Zealand Trade Agreement
The European Union has launched negotiations for a comprehensive and ambitious trade agreement with New Zealand.
Bilateral trade in goods between the two partners has risen steadily in recent years, reaching almost €8.7bn in 2017. The EU is New Zealand's third-biggest trade partner.
According to the impact assessment, trade between New Zealand and the EU could increase by 36%; trade in goods could increase by 47%, whereas the services trade could increase by 14%.
The trade negotiations aim to:
reduce existing barriers to trade in goods and services
make sure that European companies compete on a level playing field with businesses from countries that already have a trade agreement with New Zealand
promote smart, sustainable and inclusive growth
The Council of the European Union authorised opening negotiations for a trade agreement between the EU and New Zealand on 22 May 2018.
17-06-2020, 02:45 PM
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Re: Nz & oz fta??
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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HiThe UK Government has said that the combined benefit from any Australia and New Zealand FTAs will be £3 Billion.
This is peanuts.
You should be happy once in a while. Not everyone is as shite at everything as you are
17-06-2020, 02:46 PM
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Re: Nz & oz fta??
Originally Posted by Solasch
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Unfortunately, negotiations take time. The EU and NZ have been at it since 2017. Oh, and note the text in bold!
Towards an EU-New Zealand Trade Agreement
The European Union has launched negotiations for a comprehensive and ambitious trade agreement with New Zealand.
Bilateral trade in goods between the two partners has risen steadily in recent years, reaching almost €8.7bn in 2017. The EU is New Zealand's third-biggest trade partner.
According to the impact assessment, trade between New Zealand and the EU could increase by 36%; trade in goods could increase by 47%, whereas the services trade could increase by 14%.
The trade negotiations aim to:
reduce existing barriers to trade in goods and services
make sure that European companies compete on a level playing field with businesses from countries that already have a trade agreement with New Zealand
promote smart, sustainable and inclusive growth
The Council of the European Union authorised opening negotiations for a trade agreement between the EU and New Zealand on 22 May 2018.
Going well then
17-06-2020, 02:51 PM
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Re: Nz & oz fta??
Originally Posted by Solasch
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In britain the people's representative, the house of commons, is rather muzzled when it comes to treaties, i.e. trade agreements.The negotiation and signature of treaties … is a function of the government, exercised through the 'royalp prerogative’, and therefore parliamentary ‘interest and involvement’ in the treaty-making process has generally been ‘limited’. Indeed, parliamentary scrutiny of treaty-making, such as it is, is generally confined to scrutiny of legislation introduced into parliament by the government for the purpose of implementing treaty obligations. By that point, however, parliament is in a position to address no more than how such obligations are to be given effect in domestic law, the existence of those obligations — and their binding effect upon the UK as a state in international law — being a given at that stage in the process. In the light of that, and bearing in mind that not all treaties generate obligations that need to be given legal effect via domestic primary legislation, it is clear that scrutiny of treaty-related legislation cannot reasonably be regarded as a substitute for scrutiny of treaties themselves at a point when they amount to something other than a done deal.
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