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Re: Boris climbs down.

Originally Posted by Cinderella ->
If the UK does not leave EU then our politicians are not needed just civil servants to obey those in Brussels. The Palace of Westminster could become a museum, and the EU allocated a conference centre in the midlands as their UK subsidiary.
That's the whole idea of the EU - one of the reasons I voted leave.

Remainers and Leavers alike do not want the backstop. The reason why (although they fail to realise or admit it) is that this is exactly what future membership of the EU will look like - for all member states.

Once we are in the backstop, there will be new, fancy name for it and all the other member states will follow, stripped of the last remaining parts of sovereignty, removal of their countries boundaries and instead, all of them becoming regions of the European Superstate governed, owned and dictated to by the Brussels mafia.
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I guess the master plan could’ve been to get rid of the has beens like Clarke, Hammond, etc to get a Brexiteer majority
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I guess the master plan could’ve been to get rid of the has beens like Clarke, Hammond, etc to get a Brexiteer majority
It could be but I don't think it was very likely.

What we saw yesterday was blatant arrogance by those in parliament whose allegiances are to Brussels, not their own country. To think some of these people are ex-chancellors is just mind-boggling.

One thing is for certain, remain is hated by a massive majority in this country now and that is why Corbyn and co are cowering away from judgement day by general election.

Remain need to cling on in Parliament for all its worth. They know that this delay bill (the treason bill) is their last chance to scupper the democratic will of the people, and probably believe, once we are back in the EU fold, they will be protected ... heralded by their unelected masters as martyrs, the ultimate virtue that can be bestowed on a traitor, before reality kicks in and they blame everyone else for their actions with their sorry excuses.

Whatever the outcome of Brexit, these bastards in the HoC know that they are only protected until a general election happens and when it does, every person in this country will vote against every one of them with big black crosses marking their anger and disgust.

Come the election, democracy will belong to the people again and the people will not let them get away with what they have done and I can guarantee they will never get a second chance.
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05-09-2019, 11:06 AM
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https://skwawkbox.org/2019/09/04/bre...xit-agreement/


If anyone needed confirmation about our ineffectual parliament.

Embarrassing and humiliating, for all of us.
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05-09-2019, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Cinderella ->
If the UK does not leave EU then our politicians are not needed just civil servants to obey those in Brussels. The Palace of Westminster could become a museum, and the EU allocated a conference centre in the midlands as their UK subsidiary.
You need to swat up on your history Cinders.

Westminster and our political system were abolished in 2009 when the traitor BLiar signed us up to the Lisbon Treaty without giving the populous any vote or choice in the matter. People should familiarise themselves with that Treaty. Here's the salient part:

Article 10

"political parties at European level contribute to forming European political awareness and to expressing the will of citizens of the Union”.

"Among the conditions for recognition is that its member parties must be represented by, in at least one quarter of the Member States, members of the European Parliament, of national parliaments, of regional parliaments or of regional assemblies."


Read that through again to ensure you understand it.

In simple speak this means that the "will of citizens" can only be expressed by "European Level" political parties" and the definition of those are parties that represent people in multiple member states.

According to www.eutruth.org , at the EU’s Party Financing Conference in Madrid in June 1999, parties at the European level were defined as parties with voters in more than 10 countries.


Either way this should be alarming to all and a wake up call.

What this means is that the Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and other UK parties DO NOT qualify as "European Political Parties" as they only represent citizens from one member state, the UK. Therefore according to the Lisbon Treaty, to which we are signed up, our political parties can not express the will of citizens.

What that actually means in turn then, is that Westminster as we know it was effectively disbanded when the Lisbon Treaty was signed. As you correctly state, there is no need for Westminster at all under the EU dictatorship regime. Your ability to vote, to chose Con, Lab, Lib etc is gone and instead you have to do what the dictatorship demands. You don't get to vote for the EU leaders like Druncker & Co and you have extremely little ability as a citizen to do or change anything.


Our political parties and thus parliament, which some deem is or should be sovereign, were all abolished by Tony BLiar when he signed us up to this treaty.

That we still visibly see our parliament and our political parties in place and doing "stuff" is nothing but a sham pantomime being played out by EU stooge politicians. It currently serves the EU to allow our parliament to pretend they have any power, sovereignty and sway and it will remain that way until the EU has consolidated enough power to just come right out and state that they are now an untouchable United Federal States Of Europe run by a dictatorship on the soviet model.

The citizens of the UK, as ever, are being completely duped.

The Treaty clause is pretty clear. Political Parties have to cover numerous member states so our ability to vote for the current UK political parties, will surely disappear when they deem the time is ripe to admit that. Likely as not the current farcical circus show playing out right now is just a sham to pretend that parliament as a whole is just collapsing over the BrExit issue. These people are all traitors. They are doing the bidding of their EU masters and moving to totally and irrefutably abolish the sovereignty of this country and the nationality of its people. Conservatives, Liberals and Labourites alike. All on the EU gravy train, all working to destroy this country.

As I write this I am watching a reconditioned Lancaster Bomber fire up its engines and taxi down the runway. It's a moving experience. Immense noise, and an emotive sense of what it must have felt like for our RAF boys to constantly have to get in such planes and fly off to fight for our freedoms and protect our sovereignty. That we should ever forget their sacrifices and sit idly by whilst enemies seek once again to destroy our sovereignty, this time by stealth and deception, is simultaneously sickening and tragic.

Our youngsters have imho been purposely groomed to think little of the sacrifices in our wars and to believe that democracy means nothing and that they can have whatever they want, if they just shout loud enough and cause enough chaos.

The time is drawing near for us all to do as our grandfathers did and stand against the tyranny of lies, deception and corruption in our government. We ARE at war, and we have spent 30 years sleeping and sitting idly by whilst our enemies worked busily behind closed doors. We were not interested in politics, most of us don't understand politics, but we will suer as hell understand when they declare that we can no longer call ourselves British and that Westminster is disbanded and that we no longer have any vote.
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05-09-2019, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Twink55 ->
The majority of MPs never wanted to leave & thought that the vote would be to remain.

I remember a report that stated the UK will never be allowed to leave the EU & it seems that too many people agree with it.

I am sad to say that the only thing MPs are interested in is getting the best jobs, no matter which party they have to do it with! I am ashamed to live in a country where we pay MP's money to look after the country's affairs, when they are only interested in looking after themselves!
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05-09-2019, 11:47 AM
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You need to swat up on your history Cinders.

Westminster and our political system were abolished in 2009 when the traitor BLiar signed us up to the Lisbon Treaty without giving the populous any vote or choice in the matter. People should familiarise themselves with that Treaty. Here's the salient part:

Article 10

"political parties at European level contribute to forming European political awareness and to expressing the will of citizens of the Union”.

"Among the conditions for recognition is that its member parties must be represented by, in at least one quarter of the Member States, members of the European Parliament, of national parliaments, of regional parliaments or of regional assemblies."


Read that through again to ensure you understand it.

In simple speak this means that the "will of citizens" can only be expressed by "European Level" political parties" and the definition of those are parties that represent people in multiple member states.

According to www.eutruth.org , at the EU’s Party Financing Conference in Madrid in June 1999, parties at the European level were defined as parties with voters in more than 10 countries.


Either way this should be alarming to all and a wake up call.

What this means is that the Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and other UK parties DO NOT qualify as "European Political Parties" as they only represent citizens from one member state, the UK. Therefore according to the Lisbon Treaty, to which we are signed up, our political parties can not express the will of citizens.

What that actually means in turn then, is that Westminster as we know it was effectively disbanded when the Lisbon Treaty was signed. As you correctly state, there is no need for Westminster at all under the EU dictatorship regime. Your ability to vote, to chose Con, Lab, Lib etc is gone and instead you have to do what the dictatorship demands. You don't get to vote for the EU leaders like Druncker & Co and you have extremely little ability as a citizen to do or change anything.


Our political parties and thus parliament, which some deem is or should be sovereign, were all abolished by Tony BLiar when he signed us up to this treaty.

That we still visibly see our parliament and our political parties in place and doing "stuff" is nothing but a sham pantomime being played out by EU stooge politicians. It currently serves the EU to allow our parliament to pretend they have any power, sovereignty and sway and it will remain that way until the EU has consolidated enough power to just come right out and state that they are now an untouchable United Federal States Of Europe run by a dictatorship on the soviet model.

The citizens of the UK, as ever, are being completely duped.

The Treaty clause is pretty clear. Political Parties have to cover numerous member states so our ability to vote for the current UK political parties, will surely disappear when they deem the time is ripe to admit that. Likely as not the current farcical circus show playing out right now is just a sham to pretend that parliament as a whole is just collapsing over the BrExit issue. These people are all traitors. They are doing the bidding of their EU masters and moving to totally and irrefutably abolish the sovereignty of this country and the nationality of its people. Conservatives, Liberals and Labourites alike. All on the EU gravy train, all working to destroy this country.

As I write this I am watching a reconditioned Lancaster Bomber fire up its engines and taxi down the runway. It's a moving experience. Immense noise, and an emotive sense of what it must have felt like for our RAF boys to constantly have to get in such planes and fly off to fight for our freedoms and protect our sovereignty. That we should ever forget their sacrifices and sit idly by whilst enemies seek once again to destroy our sovereignty, this time by stealth and deception, is simultaneously sickening and tragic.

Our youngsters have imho been purposely groomed to think little of the sacrifices in our wars and to believe that democracy means nothing and that they can have whatever they want, if they just shout loud enough and cause enough chaos.

The time is drawing near for us all to do as our grandfathers did and stand against the tyranny of lies, deception and corruption in our government. We ARE at war, and we have spent 30 years sleeping and sitting idly by whilst our enemies worked busily behind closed doors. We were not interested in politics, most of us don't understand politics, but we will suer as hell understand when they declare that we can no longer call ourselves British and that Westminster is disbanded and that we no longer have any vote.

What a great post !
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05-09-2019, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
You need to swat up on your history Cinders.

Westminster and our political system were abolished in 2009 when the traitor BLiar signed us up to the Lisbon Treaty without giving the populous any vote or choice in the matter. People should familiarise themselves with that Treaty. Here's the salient part:

Article 10

"political parties at European level contribute to forming European political awareness and to expressing the will of citizens of the Union”.

"Among the conditions for recognition is that its member parties must be represented by, in at least one quarter of the Member States, members of the European Parliament, of national parliaments, of regional parliaments or of regional assemblies."


Read that through again to ensure you understand it.

In simple speak this means that the "will of citizens" can only be expressed by "European Level" political parties" and the definition of those are parties that represent people in multiple member states.

According to www.eutruth.org , at the EU’s Party Financing Conference in Madrid in June 1999, parties at the European level were defined as parties with voters in more than 10 countries.


Either way this should be alarming to all and a wake up call.

What this means is that the Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and other UK parties DO NOT qualify as "European Political Parties" as they only represent citizens from one member state, the UK. Therefore according to the Lisbon Treaty, to which we are signed up, our political parties can not express the will of citizens.

What that actually means in turn then, is that Westminster as we know it was effectively disbanded when the Lisbon Treaty was signed. As you correctly state, there is no need for Westminster at all under the EU dictatorship regime. Your ability to vote, to chose Con, Lab, Lib etc is gone and instead you have to do what the dictatorship demands. You don't get to vote for the EU leaders like Druncker & Co and you have extremely little ability as a citizen to do or change anything.


Our political parties and thus parliament, which some deem is or should be sovereign, were all abolished by Tony BLiar when he signed us up to this treaty.

That we still visibly see our parliament and our political parties in place and doing "stuff" is nothing but a sham pantomime being played out by EU stooge politicians. It currently serves the EU to allow our parliament to pretend they have any power, sovereignty and sway and it will remain that way until the EU has consolidated enough power to just come right out and state that they are now an untouchable United Federal States Of Europe run by a dictatorship on the soviet model.

The citizens of the UK, as ever, are being completely duped.

The Treaty clause is pretty clear. Political Parties have to cover numerous member states so our ability to vote for the current UK political parties, will surely disappear when they deem the time is ripe to admit that. Likely as not the current farcical circus show playing out right now is just a sham to pretend that parliament as a whole is just collapsing over the BrExit issue. These people are all traitors. They are doing the bidding of their EU masters and moving to totally and irrefutably abolish the sovereignty of this country and the nationality of its people. Conservatives, Liberals and Labourites alike. All on the EU gravy train, all working to destroy this country.

As I write this I am watching a reconditioned Lancaster Bomber fire up its engines and taxi down the runway. It's a moving experience. Immense noise, and an emotive sense of what it must have felt like for our RAF boys to constantly have to get in such planes and fly off to fight for our freedoms and protect our sovereignty. That we should ever forget their sacrifices and sit idly by whilst enemies seek once again to destroy our sovereignty, this time by stealth and deception, is simultaneously sickening and tragic.

Our youngsters have imho been purposely groomed to think little of the sacrifices in our wars and to believe that democracy means nothing and that they can have whatever they want, if they just shout loud enough and cause enough chaos.

The time is drawing near for us all to do as our grandfathers did and stand against the tyranny of lies, deception and corruption in our government. We ARE at war, and we have spent 30 years sleeping and sitting idly by whilst our enemies worked busily behind closed doors. We were not interested in politics, most of us don't understand politics, but we will suer as hell understand when they declare that we can no longer call ourselves British and that Westminster is disbanded and that we no longer have any vote.
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What a great post !
That is not only a great post, it's a B brilliant post.
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05-09-2019, 11:59 AM
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We must come to our senses and understand that our government is no longer working for the people nor acting according to the mandate of the people.

They are surrendering our country to the EU

In doing so they are surrendering YOUR sovereignty, YOUR nationality, YOUR ability to vote and they are consigning you to a dystopian future in which all the freedoms and rights you now take for granted are at risk and
WILL be slowly removed, step by step.

They are all working for the EU.

May signed the bill that allowed them to spy on all our communications.
Blair signed the Treaty that abolished our sovereignty and disbands Westminster
Major signed the Maastrict Treaty which paved the way for the EU to increase its powerbase and increase (cough) "integration".
Thatcher signed her EU treaty and so on.

Step by stealthy step we have been invaded and our democratic system trashed.

What should we do about that?
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That is not only a great post, it's a B brilliant post.
Couldn,t agree more!!
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