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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
I'm still laughing at Banchory's description of the likes of Grieves, Hammond, Bercow et al, as ''decent, honest members of the Conservative Party''

How about we put that to a vote? Oh no, forgot, they have colluded with a Marxist opposition in ensuring their traitorous actions are not dependent on votes.
Corbyn is frit.

He should resign.... the government in waiting isnt ready yet after 3 years
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08-09-2019, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Banchory ->
One basic flaw in Craigís argument is that it has transpired that the Government are not engaging in any formal negotiations regarding the WA ergo there is nothing to be compromised

You really couldnít make this sh#t up, the current Government are living in Walter Mitty land
Boris was going to negotiate either on the day before exit
date or later, as it is well known that eu will not negotiate
in good faith untill the last minute! So Boris's last minute
strategy is a good one if we want a halfway decent deal?
All it requires is steady nerves and consistency?
Unfortunately uk does not seem to have much of either
at present?
I am still behind Boris and l bthink he and Nigel should
get together on this!
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09-09-2019, 05:22 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by shropshiregirl ->
I'm still laughing at Banchory's description of the likes of Grieves, Hammond, Bercow et al, as ''decent, honest members of the Conservative Party''

How about we put that to a vote? Oh no, forgot, they have colluded with a Marxist opposition in ensuring their traitorous actions are not dependent on votes.
I didnít think you would recognise honesty and integrity as it seems to be an alien concept for you when it comes to people with views that differ from yours. The referendum did not take away any individuals right to express there own free will and convictions. The fight to oppose foes not make people traitors as you misguidedly think

We currently have a prime minister and government intent on inflicting huge damage on this country and are prepared to do whateverís it takes to achieve their goal including lying and threatening to disregard the law.

They are a disgrace to this country
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09-09-2019, 05:35 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Corbyn is frit.

He should resign.... the government in waiting isnt ready yet after 3 years
Yes he should
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09-09-2019, 05:46 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by Donkeyman ->
Boris was going to negotiate either on the day before exit
date or later, as it is well known that eu will not negotiate
in good faith untill the last minute! So Boris's last minute
strategy is a good one if we want a halfway decent deal?
All it requires is steady nerves and consistency?
Unfortunately uk does not seem to have much of either
at present?
I am still behind Boris and l bthink he and Nigel should
get together on this!
Regards Donkeyman!
That would never work unless the council of 27 had given Barnier a mandate to quiesce to Borisís demands and they cannot have done that because as they keep stating, Boris needs to tell them what he wants and he can only do that in formal negotiations

If he leaves negotiations until after we leave we would certainly be negotiating from a position of weakness
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09-09-2019, 07:31 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by Bread ->
No it's not. It's got nothing to do with it if anything the illegal benn bill prevents any deal being made that is acceptable to both parties. It also needs queens consent due to the way it prevents her government to negotiate effectively and fairly.

Thanks to the dick heads in parliament the only deal we will be offered is one worse than mays deal.

It takes a complete cretin not to realise this.
Hi

The Uk was offered, right at the beginning a WTO Trade Deal, no tariffs on goods and produce, good enough for the likes of Japan and Canada.

It excluded services, we wanted more, Canada +++.

We turned it down,

Such an agreement would not have required a Transition Period, which is the bulk of the Withdrawal Bill money and we would have been out earlier this year.

There would have been no impact on our manufacturing, the Foreign owned companies could have continued to export to the EU without tariffs.

Stupid or what?
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09-09-2019, 09:32 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

The Uk was offered, right at the beginning a WTO Trade Deal, no tariffs on goods and produce, good enough for the likes of Japan and Canada.

It excluded services, we wanted more, Canada +++.

We turned it down,

Such an agreement would not have required a Transition Period, which is the bulk of the Withdrawal Bill money and we would have been out earlier this year.

There would have been no impact on our manufacturing, the Foreign owned companies could have continued to export to the EU without tariffs.

Stupid or what?

If you have got it right Swimmy, it was stupid!
Do we know why we rejected it?
I suppose some sectors lobbied against it? ( ie, banking! )
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09-09-2019, 11:05 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

The Uk was offered, right at the beginning a WTO Trade Deal, no tariffs on goods and produce, good enough for the likes of Japan and Canada.

It excluded services, we wanted more, Canada +++.

If it excluded services what use was it? Services are 80% of our business.
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09-09-2019, 11:30 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
Hi

The Uk was offered, right at the beginning a WTO Trade Deal, no tariffs on goods and produce, good enough for the likes of Japan and Canada.

It excluded services, we wanted more, Canada +++.

We turned it down,

Such an agreement would not have required a Transition Period, which is the bulk of the Withdrawal Bill money and we would have been out earlier this year.

There would have been no impact on our manufacturing, the Foreign owned companies could have continued to export to the EU without tariffs.

Stupid or what?

It didn't apply to northern ireland.
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09-09-2019, 11:35 AM
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Re: The Benn Bill May Actually be Illegal....

Originally Posted by Realist ->
If it excluded services what use was it? Services are 80% of our business.
Hi

WTO Trade Agreements do not routinely include services.

What part of this do you not understand.

Foreign Banks trading here from outside the EU have to set up a branch here, register here, comply with our rules
and pay tax here.

The net profits are sent back to international headquarters.

Even JRM has moved part of his business to the EU in order to continue to have access.

The big American and Japanese Banks are sited here so that they can trade throughout the EU from a base here.

They are moving the EU part of their business to the EU.

That is how the system works.

Trade in manufactured goods and products is hugely important to us, it employs people and earns foreign exchange.

The rest of the world operates on this and agree mutual recognition systems.

They survive, make money and do well.

Why are we so special?
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