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Re: Boris's Joker Card?

No party has nor can achieve any majority at this point unless MPs defect between Tory/Labour parties.

We have a completely useless parliament structure in which nothing can be achieved.

A General Election is the only way to resolve that situation.

The opposition are obstructing that most obvious and sensible way forward because they know they will lose an election. Common sense must prevail.
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11-09-2019, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by swimfeeders ->
hi

as realistic as your posts about the flu jab.

Boris is totally useless, lost every vote and been outwitted by corbyn.

Being outwitted by a marxist idiot like corbyn is dangerous.
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Complete bollox.

Boris does not have a Majority, the Opposition does.

The Convention is quite simple, Corbyn gets 14 days to form a Coalition, he will get it.
At this point, it is necessary to bring the FTPA into play. The effect of section 2(3) of that Act is that a motion of no confidence (in the appropriate form) triggers a 14-day period during which any of a number of things might happen. First, nothing might happen, in which case Parliament’s expression of no confidence stands and a general election must take place. Second, the incumbent Government might persuade sufficient MPs to change their mind and support it; if, in such circumstances, the Government wins a second (or further) confidence vote within the 14-day period, the Government remains in office and no early election occurs. Third, an alternative Government may be formed — a possibility that is considered in the next section of this post.
For the time being, however, a crucial question arises. What if the Government loses a vote of confidence and fails to recover the Commons’ confidence within 14 days of the first vote? The Act is clear that in such circumstances an early general election must be called.

Realist was considering the possibility of boris resigning on his own initiative. In that case the 14 day window does not arise.
The queen may ask boris for advice on who to appoint next to form a government. It is however her prerogative to ask, not his to speak out to advise. The queen may well decide to do without his advice. Realist quoted the manual as saying:
It is the parties represented in Parliament, to seek to determine and communicate clearly to the Sovereign who is best placed to be able to command the confidence of the House of Commons.
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Originally Posted by Realist ->
No party has nor can achieve any majority at this point unless MPs defect between Tory/Labour parties.

We have a completely useless parliament structure in which nothing can be achieved.

A General Election is the only way to resolve that situation.

The opposition are obstructing that most obvious and sensible way forward because they know they will lose an election. Common sense must prevail.
Completely agree. We have total political paralysis, nothing is being done or decided on a domestic level because of this. Brexit is just logjamming everything.
Sooner the election comes, the better.

Until then, Parliament may as well stay prorogued for all the use it is
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Realist was considering the possibility of boris resigning on his own initiative. In that case the 14 day window does not arise.
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11-09-2019, 12:57 PM
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No party has nor can achieve any majority at this point unless MPs defect between Tory/Labour parties.

We have a completely useless parliament structure in which nothing can be achieved.
I was expecting your suggestion to put it to the people by way of a binding referendum?
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11-09-2019, 03:02 PM
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We've had our referendum thanks and the result is Leave.

We have now moved onto the problem that we have a government unwilling to honour and respect that result and who are passing bills and actively obstructing the entire BrExit process.

This is a separate issue.

To deal with it we need a General Election so the people can vote out these traitors and put in place a parliament willing to serve the people not the EU.
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11-09-2019, 03:17 PM
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Despite our prophets of doom continuing to assure us that we can do nothing about the present situation, there remains the inevitability of a general election sooner or later.

If we assume the longest delay, a GE must be held in 2022; another three years.

Over that time, we shall remain a member of the EU and will still have the free trade we have before. We shall also be obliged to keep paying their ransom. OK, we have been managing well enough up until now and, if reports are to be believed, our economy continues to grow.

We can also take advantage of that compulsory membership period for businesses to continue to make preparations for a complete Brexit, which I'm sure will happen when the people have another vote.

Importantly, we can also do what other member countries have been doing for years: to completely ignore EU diktats!

Yes, we shall still be paying in, but we can at least insist on our dues: the usual rebates and entitlements, legal abilities to deny access to health tourists and anyone else we don't need, and inclusion in things such as Galileo which, if we play our cards right, can result in our obtaining, as legal partners, all the information available which could benefit us when we do leave as we will have everything we need to go it alone.

We should look at the positives, bide our time, and take full advantage of everything to which, as members, we are entitled. Then, our time will come to leave with a clear political majority which the EU and their fifth columnists in this country can do nothing about.

People have long memories.
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18-09-2019, 05:01 PM
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Despite our prophets of doom continuing to assure us that we can do nothing about the present situation, there remains the inevitability of a general election sooner or later.

If we assume the longest delay, a GE must be held in 2022; another three years.

Over that time, we shall remain a member of the EU and will still have the free trade we have before. We shall also be obliged to keep paying their ransom. OK, we have been managing well enough up until now and, if reports are to be believed, our economy continues to grow.

We can also take advantage of that compulsory membership period for businesses to continue to make preparations for a complete Brexit, which I'm sure will happen when the people have another vote.

Importantly, we can also do what other member countries have been doing for years: to completely ignore EU diktats!

Yes, we shall still be paying in, but we can at least insist on our dues: the usual rebates and entitlements, legal abilities to deny access to health tourists and anyone else we don't need, and inclusion in things such as Galileo which, if we play our cards right, can result in our obtaining, as legal partners, all the information available which could benefit us when we do leave as we will have everything we need to go it alone.

We should look at the positives, bide our time, and take full advantage of everything to which, as members, we are entitled. Then, our time will come to leave with a clear political majority which the EU and their fifth columnists in this country can do nothing about.

People have long memories.
I agree, JBR.

As an aside, I wish our so called "Fellow Brexiteers" would resist the temptation of demeaning & name calling Boris.

He appears to be all we've got, and he seems to be saying what we want to hear. I expect the Remainers to be panic stricken, and ready to hurl their rabid insults towards Boris.

But not us.

We need to get behind him.

If he does let us down we can shout then!
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18-09-2019, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedc ->
As an aside, I wish our so called "Fellow Brexiteers" would resist the temptation of demeaning & name calling Boris.

He appears to be all we've got, and he seems to be saying what we want to hear. I expect the Remainers to be panic stricken, and ready to hurl their rabid insults towards Boris.

But not us.

We need to get behind him.

If he does let us down we can shout then!
I agree. So far, he has said and done all the right things and put himself on the line.

If he doesn't get us out, he has also put the continuance of the Conservative Party at risk and I don't think he'd do that lightly.

The one thing he hasn't done is to agree an alliance with Nigel Farage. Perhaps he's just 'had a quiet word', and will fire that particular big gun when the time comes for a general election.

I hope!
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