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16-01-2019, 04:01 PM
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So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

So What Red Lines Is Theresa May Willing to Give Up.

The Single Market - Labour, Goods, and Services moving freely around the Bloc,
To be free of this red line means a restriction on immigration, and freedom from the European Court of Justice which governs it.

The Customs Union - Where our goods cross EU borders without time-consuming customs checks or tariffs.
Theresa May wants out because we have to charge the same tariffs on outside countries as the rest of the EU, so can never have a competitive edge or advantage or sign free-trade deals with other countries.

Immigration - Not a great deal from Theresa May on how she intends to bring the numbers down although she sees this as a red line in the negotiations because she believes this is one of the most important factors that people voted Brexit for.
She wants highly skilled workers on their expertise and merit, not where they come from. Unfortunately, the majority of her Remain cabinet want the continuation of low-skilled migration on a significant scale as crucial.

The EU Budget
This too is a red line, although the PM has not ruled out paying some money tp the EU for certain programmes and the eye-watering 39bn that has been agreed.

Return of full rights of our Fishing Waters. - Already that Napoleon pygmy, Emmanuel Macron, has said the UK will be trapped in a customs union after Brexit unless Downing Street offers European Fishermen full access to British waters during the once but now failed trade negotiations.

There is also the matter of Gibraltar, with the same type of threat coming from Spain. Gibraltarians voted overwhelmingly to remain. However, I personally don’t think our little tax haven residents fully realise that although they fully rely on Spanish cooperation, If we end up with a hard brexit, that means a hard border between Gib and Spain. A worse scenario than even Northern Ireland. It certainly wouldn’t bother the Spanish if a type of Berlin Wall was erected across the tiny peninsular, but how would that turn out for the Remain voting Gibs who also voted overwhelmingly to be British. Mmm. A case of tryimg to have your cake and eat it perhaps? Worth mentioning too that the EU kindly gave Spain a formal veto over Brexit if Madrid was not happy with the Gibraltar dimensions of a Brexit deal. This has now come back into effect with the failed withdrawal agreement which Spain signed as agreeable.


So as I say, which red line do you think she would willingly give up?
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16-01-2019, 04:03 PM
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

Easiest way to sort out Gibraltar would give let them have their own MP in Westminster then they would be a region of the UK rather than a territory.

The Spanish have only had democracy for 50 years, a lot of them are still finding it difficult to get to grips with.
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

Originally Posted by Bread ->
Easiest way to sort out Gibraltar would give let them have their own MP in Westminster then they would be a region of the UK rather than a territory.

The Spanish have only had democracy for 50 years, a lot of them are still finding it difficult to get to grips with.
Which makes one wonder why they haven't already? Mind you, do we really need yet another ruddy Remain MP?
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16-01-2019, 04:14 PM
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

Possibly Ireland ? They wanted to stay in , the south is already in , let them have a united ireland and stop stopping our brexit
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

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This is getting more like Game of Thrones every day.

The EU know that May cannot deliver after that crushing defeat, so why bother negotiating with her?

We need somebody new, somebody they think can deliver.
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

Phew! that's a dicey one Marmaduke! You are basically saying that we should give up part of the United Kingdom to a country that was at war with each other for 15 years and more. Although polls show that the majority would like to be a united Ireland, I can guarantee that if the push came to the shove, the vote would be to remain in the UK.
The south and north of Ireland have their cake and eat it at the moment with the open border. Why would they ever want that to change?
Why would they ever want the British to desert the North and hand them over on a plate to the EU with all the dangers that come with that?

No, I'm afraid that is one thing the DUP would never stand for. And, seeing as the government is totally dependant on their votes, one can count that out.
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16-01-2019, 04:43 PM
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Then we should sacrifice Scotland or wales or bradfordistan.... yes that’s the best option ... let Scotland and Northern Ireland join hands and become one ... they can both have independence and remain and we can have the border at hadrians wall just like the good old days
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

Originally Posted by marmaduke ->
Then we should sacrifice Scotland or wales or bradfordistan
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

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The issue is the Irish backstop, insisted upon by Varadkar to use Brexit to get a United Ireland.

An alternative is for us to say if we have a No Deal because of EU intransigence, we will put in place a hard border and split Ireland permanently.
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16-01-2019, 04:52 PM
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Re: So, Plan B? What Red Line(s) is the PM Prepared to Sacrifice?

Originally Posted by marmaduke ->
Then we should sacrifice Scotland or wales or bradfordistan.... yes that’s the best option ... let Scotland and Northern Ireland join hands and become one ... they can both have independence and remain and we can have the border at hadrians wall just like the good old days
Since the Northern Irish are the descendants of Scottish settlers that may not be a bad idea. Weren't they thinking of a bridge to link across?
 
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