21-06-2020, 05:21 PM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
Originally Posted by Solasch
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It isn't. British civil service started in the 18th century, the EU in 1950. Voilą.
Solly?
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21-06-2020, 05:29 PM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
Originally Posted by LongDriver
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To that I will add it also helps if your father served WWII in special ops and left military service with a well defined record.I know that must be considered because it was always mentioned at each upward movement.
I will also add that if enough years are served, the linked pension can be as high as half of the best of last three years served and that cannot be sniffed at.
I suppose the pensions are NON contributary also?
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21-06-2020, 05:59 PM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
I get the impression that most contributors to this thread think that Civil Servants are highly-paid Crown employees working in Whitehall .....
AFAIK, there are some 500,000 civil servants working nationwide working in a variety of jobs and being paid a variety of salaries.
I live in the North-West and, after I retired, I took temporary positions at the DWP, the Insolvency Service and the Land Registry, thus becoming a Civil Servant. The positions, although administrative, were all contractual, a system that was replacing "jobs for life", so although positions are relatively well-paid, job security, AFAIK, has become a thing of the past. In the North-West, this has affected some 50,000 people, including those in the Prison Service and HMRC. As money for departments runs short (or even out), as it frequently does nowadays, job contracts are not renewed or employees are relocated elsewhere in the UK.
Many of my colleagues were Administrative Assistants or Administrative Officers earning, some 10 years ago, between £12,000 and £20,000 - not a huge amount but enough to sustain life (and some luxuries) - now hundreds of people that I worked with, all civil servants, are unemployed.
Those in Whitehall may fret about the office desk or the carpet but my colleagues are more concerned about food and clothes for children.
21-06-2020, 06:07 PM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
Originally Posted by Omah
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I get the impression that most contributors to this thread think that Civil Servants are highly-paid Crown employees working in Whitehall .....
Hi
That is my fault is the OP.
The vast majority of Civil Servants are not well paid and work throughout the UK.
They have a contributory Pension Scheme.
The issue is more with London, the Welsh Office etc.
The power is centralised there and that is where the high pay grades are.
21-06-2020, 07:37 PM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
Originally Posted by Omah
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I get the impression that most contributors to this thread think that Civil Servants are highly-paid Crown employees working in Whitehall ..... AFAIK, there are some 500,000 civil servants working nationwide working in a variety of jobs and being paid a variety of salaries.
I live in the North-West and, after I retired, I took temporary positions at the DWP, the Insolvency Service and the Land Registry, thus becoming a Civil Servant. The positions, although administrative, were all contractual, a system that was replacing "jobs for life", so although positions are relatively well-paid, job security, AFAIK, has become a thing of the past. In the North-West, this has affected some 50,000 people, including those in the Prison Service and HMRC. As money for departments runs short (or even out), as it frequently does nowadays, job contracts are not renewed or employees are relocated elsewhere in the UK.
Many of my colleagues were Administrative Assistants or Administrative Officers earning, some 10 years ago, between £12,000 and £20,000 - not a huge amount but enough to sustain life (and some luxuries) - now hundreds of people that I worked with, all civil servants, are unemployed.
Those in Whitehall may fret about the office desk or the carpet but my colleagues are more concerned about food and clothes for children.
right?
So all the work is done in the boondokes but the rewards are
distributed inside the London bubble, hmmm
So we know where to look when we do the cull?
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21-06-2020, 09:01 PM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
To be VERY serious and I'm not making a glib remark there are two problems with UK civil servants.They are anything but civil, certainly when dealing with the public, and have forgotten that they are SERVANTS and especially so to their minister.
22-06-2020, 09:49 AM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
Originally Posted by spitfire
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The Fail safe Box, should be made available to public servants, so as to see, nuts and bolts, or lack of, can cause a catastrophic failure of the system.
How could you apply that to bits of paper??
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22-06-2020, 03:43 PM
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Re: The Problem with the Civil Service.
Originally Posted by swimfeeders
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The vast majority of Civil Servants are not well paid and work throughout the UK.They have a contributory Pension Scheme.
When I left school, I joined the (Home) Civil Service as a 'Clerical Assistant'.
After a couple of years I was promoted to the exalted position of 'Clerical Officer'. Next grade up from the bottom.
Four years on and I escaped, and joined the RAF.
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