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29-11-2019, 02:49 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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People wanted to believe the police, how can you when this is reported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-31729366
Yes, there is always that side of it too. It's wrong but the police will always close ranks where possible. I wasn't there so I can't really comment on whether fans were drunk or not.
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29-11-2019, 03:04 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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People wanted to believe the police, how can you when this is reported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-31729366
Easily.

The police were only trying to remove individual perceptions from the events when the mob ran riot. Otherwise there's a danger of PC Plod telling what he saw relating to what he could see and not the whole event.

As for unlawfully killed, all that means is that circumstances resulted in death and it was not as a consequence of the actions of any individual. They died not because of a criminal act, not as a result of misadventure, not by their own hands, but died because of things that happened outside of any act that was deliberate committed by the law.

If the same sort of thing we're to happen today with the state of knowledge gained from unruly mobs and the events that took place at Hillsborough then and only then might the police have a case to answer.

Because unruly (and no doubt a large number of "excited") mob behaviour was unprecedented it really is 100% down to the mob themselves.
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29-11-2019, 04:45 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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People wanted to believe the police, how can you when this is reported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-31729366
I guess that the question is whether the disaster would have happened if there weren't a large number of drunken, ticketless "fans" there. If the answer is most likely not, then surely that is where the blame should be apportioned - specifically them.
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29-11-2019, 05:16 PM
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The most shameful incident in history of police, families persistence got a verdict in 1991 of unlawful killing, no Liverpool fans had in no way contributed to the disaster.

Liverpool fans were villified by police who underestimated the bravery and resolve of relatives to reveal the truth.
To say that no Liverpool fans had contributed to the disaster is ridiculous.
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29-11-2019, 06:24 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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To say that no Liverpool fans had contributed to the disaster is ridiculous.
That was the conclusion of the inquest.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...rough-inquests

Question 7: Was there any behaviour on the part of football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?

No.

Further to that question: Was there any behaviour on the part of football supporters which may have caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?

No.
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29-11-2019, 07:08 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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That was the conclusion of the inquest.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...rough-inquests
And David Duckenfield found not guilty of gross negligence at the latest trial. What about Heysel 4 years earlier when 39 Juventus fans were crushed to death when they were charged by Liverpool fans ? Not much said about that.
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29-11-2019, 07:11 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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That was the conclusion of the inquest.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...rough-inquests
Did you notice the word TURNSTILES?

The out of control "excited" rabble were in the STREET.

NOT at the TURNSTILES.
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29-11-2019, 07:23 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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That was the conclusion of the inquest.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...rough-inquests
Do you believe the police killed them on purpose Cinders??
The officer on the spot admitted an error of judgement!
What more do you want?
Donkeyman!
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29-11-2019, 07:32 PM
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" in their "excited" state the "fans" crushed each other."

Doesn't that explain where the blame lies???
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29-11-2019, 09:45 PM
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Re: Hillsborough finally put to bed.

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" in their "excited" state the "fans" crushed each other."

Doesn't that explain where the blame lies???
Not if you're a Scouser.
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